bye crt (for now) :(

by Ronner • 24 Oct 2008, 21:16 • Journals
Got myself a Iiyama ProLite E2403WS today so that effectively means "bb CRT" :(

Just booted up ET @ 75hz on lcd .. and I have to cry :(

Oh well, this screen is at least a lot better for other activities such as developing and most desktop apps, but as soon as I have more space the CRT (iiyama vision master pro 454) is back for gaming and going side by side with this one dual monitor style.

Anyway, I feel a bit ripped off. The screen is supposed to be 2ms gray to gray, but they forget to mention that that only works with OD (overdrive) on maximum (5) and if you are not using 1:1 scaling or 4:3 aspect or having it on 75hz. So this 2ms story only works with low resolutions in fullscreen with overdrive on 5 and 60hz refreshrate. :(

Oh well, fuck the overdrive setting, cuz I rather stick with 75hz than 60hz.
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 22:21
Is there really that much of a noticable difference?
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im a tree 24 Oct 2008, 22:28
yes
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 22:33
That what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
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im a tree 24 Oct 2008, 22:34
good luck finding evidence for a subjective issue
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 22:38
It's called anecdotal evidence.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:12
The difference is huge.
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 23:15
It terms of feeling or can you see ghosting, delay, lag etc?

In terms of the technology I can see how there would be a significant difference however I cannot see there being a huge difference.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:18
If you are used to 100/120hz gaming on a CRT, then the difference is huuuge.

LCD comes down to 75hz, ghosting and delay. No way can you even begin to compare it with the smooth quality of 100/120hz gaming on a CRT.
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urtier 25 Oct 2008, 00:31
Been on the same setup for ages and switched to this LCD a few months ago. Took some time to get used to it, but it's alright when you are done with that. Even on 60hz :-)
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Ronner 25 Oct 2008, 01:05
pfff.. right now I can not imagine that I will ever get used to it. I can't see shit.
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med1xza 25 Oct 2008, 03:24
75hz is quite playable although I wish I could play with a higher refresh rate, but tracking an enemy on 60hz is pretty nasty I find, its like they are teleporting. I think 60hz reduces your ability to aim quite noticeably, its more like guessing where the opponent is. I wish a new technology would become available that gives the advantages of CRT with the crisp image of TFT, it would be extremely awesome.
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Ney 24 Oct 2008, 22:21
I played with a CRT for about two month's, after that I switched back to my TFT: Guess what, there is no difference. Atleast my ingame performance isnt getting better due to a CRT..
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fabuloz 24 Oct 2008, 22:47
that means, ur eye react slowly.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:13
It all depends on what settings you had your CRT at.
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Ney 25 Oct 2008, 00:13
120hz refresh rate, com_maxfps 125
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Ronner 25 Oct 2008, 00:22
then you really need to check out your eyes if you can't see the difference.
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 23:22
I can understand it looking smoother on a Crt however you are saying when you play on a TFT @ 75 hz and you can't even play hardly I find it hard to believe.

If I was to buy a high spec Crt do you think I would gain any benefit from it considering I am used to using a TFT.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:54
I can assure you, when you are used to a 100/120hz crt for a couple years, then a big fat YES to finding it almost impossible to play on a TFT @ 75hz. It's not just the lower hz it's also the ghosting and delay that fucks things up, especially the ghosting. Everything becomes smeared and blurred.
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 23:57
Surely that's just a case of getting used to the difference, do you think it would really effect your performance that greatly?
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Ronner 25 Oct 2008, 00:19
yes it does.
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Ney 25 Oct 2008, 00:17
I experience the opposite: My crt being blurry and my LCD being sharp. The first day after I switched back my eyes were fucked up due to the 75hz but after that day I didnt experienced that my skill was dropping.. And if you have a nice LCD (like my standard Dell) you wont experience delay. But when im sitting at the PC downstairs I AM experiencing delay, but thats a widescreen LCD.
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Ronner 25 Oct 2008, 00:21
then you have a shit crt imo. If you have a crt that handles 100/120hz perfectly then any current LCD/TFT will be worse. The lcd I have now is a 24 inch 2ms iiyama and trust me, it's the same as with any LCD, ghosting, smearing, low hz etc. It just sux for ppl that are used to 100/120hz gaming.
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Ney 25 Oct 2008, 00:14
I would say "NO!", it didnt benifit my gameplay

PS: Can be very personal tho
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im a tree 24 Oct 2008, 22:30
dual monitor? i used that for quite a while until I realised I wasn't really doing anything that required both to be on all the time, was just being selfish and having IRC open on my CRT all the time - I only go back to dualview if I'm doing something that will legitimately benefit from two screens, eg video work

these days i use Ultramon to auto-switch to my CRT when I play games, and turn my LCD off, and then back to LCD when my CRT is off

Saves a lot of power (lcd is much more efficient) and means my CRT will last longer (it's getting harder and harder to find good quality CRTs)
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:16
that's what I meant with dual monitor stuff. Use CRT for gaming and LCD for desktop stuff. Not use them at the same time imo.
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fabuloz 24 Oct 2008, 22:33
what means "overdrive on 5" ?
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spiROZE 24 Oct 2008, 22:39
man, I play with a hp pavilion f1723 25ms and I'm happy with it :p but yeah I understand that that prolly sucks when you're used to something better..

anyway CARE
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alexL 24 Oct 2008, 22:47
widescreen suck for gaming, but its nice on singeplayer games with good graphics.

my old TFT wich died Viewsonic VX924 19" @ 85Hz were FUCKING GOOD, i miss it.

using old CRT now LG 701B 17" @ 85Hz.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:14
I dont have to use widescreen mode for gaming. I can set the screen to 4:3 so that I have black borders on each side. That way ET still looks normal instead of stretched.
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im a tree 24 Oct 2008, 23:16
i think he was referring to lcd in general, as playing 4:3 or 16:10 doesn't really matter that much
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alexL 24 Oct 2008, 23:20
image: AAAAAk1Mkl4AAAAAACp7gw

mine VX924 died, i really loved to game on that screen, and it was a tft. But it could handle 85Hz.

Still have warranty on it, but viewsonic support is worst ever, only indias that cant talk english
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alexL 24 Oct 2008, 23:16
yeh i know but still :p

i hated my new 22wide i bought to game on D:
gaved it to father =p
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Shuki 24 Oct 2008, 23:23
Why didn't you buy another viewsonic?
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alexL 24 Oct 2008, 23:28
i bought a viewsonic crt, GF90b, only new one u could buy in sweden
BUT in the site they write it can have 118Hz in 1024x768
when i got i home it only works with 100hz so i send it back
and they said i need to pay 10% of the price of the product and some other stuff, so i ended with 40euro payment for nothing :>
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Nonix 24 Oct 2008, 23:10
once i left my monitor on r_displayrefresh 60 and i forgot to set back to 120 and when i started to plyy i didnt know why i cant hit the enemy... so must be very annoying to play on lcd.
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:16
it is.. very.. I've played on 100/120hz for about 4 years now, so you can imagine how shit it looks for me right now @ 60/75 hz, plus added ghosting and delay.

Ah well, as soon as I have more room I'll put both monitors on the desk, using the CRT for gaming and the TFT for desktop stuff.
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spiROZE 24 Oct 2008, 23:30
you're gonna be an admin for CC5? get some CRT's there then :)
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Ronner 24 Oct 2008, 23:51
no I'm not an admin for cc5, hell I'm not even an admin here.
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h8m3 25 Oct 2008, 03:09
HEY, NOW WE DONT HAVE ANY GOOD ADMINS LEFT :<<<<<<
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spng 24 Oct 2008, 23:39
yes true, even if with new videocard i cant reach more than 85hz..it was splendid when i could reach 120hz with my old 6600 :(
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Sephiroth 25 Oct 2008, 01:05
You didn't notice 60hz on a CRT? :O
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Nonix 25 Oct 2008, 01:35
i knew something wrong but i dont really change my hz so didnt know what fucked up
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HellKn1ght 24 Oct 2008, 23:42
I'm gonna buy HP LP2475w soon, but I'll keep my beloved VMpro454 for games (Meez style) :P
Played on a Laptop some months ago and couldn't hit shit >.<
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vectra 25 Oct 2008, 00:16
i rather watch porn from 22" LCD,i rather play games on 22" LCD,i rather use 22" LCD than stoneage CRT monitors. i don't fucking care about your HZ issue, just go in a junkyard and take yourself a CRT and stop whining. "i can't get 100hz on game buhuu new lcd monitors are shit :'("

you are pathetic!
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Ronner 25 Oct 2008, 02:13
Hi, e-hero. Got laid lately?
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vectra 25 Oct 2008, 10:29
hey dad,how is your kids?
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rewuz 25 Oct 2008, 02:55
Ya well had same problem when I changed from CRT to LCD. who cares now since I dont play Et at all :p
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h8m3 25 Oct 2008, 03:07
YES, FUCK OVERDRIVE
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med1xza 25 Oct 2008, 03:36
I use a TFT and I find 75hz / 125fps is the best to use. There is a bit of tearing that you will notice, but it feels much more responsive, unfortunately having vsync on added a large amount of input lag despite looking smoother. If you previously used things like 71fps for you pistol I suggest abandoning it, as the tearing becomes horrible with 75hz / 71fps.
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m!das 25 Oct 2008, 03:47
hehe i got a nice TFT next to me but cba to change it with my good old granny crt even if its looks horible in windows i love it in gaming!
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toxic 25 Oct 2008, 04:44
my tft rox ... i just had tp find me perfect fps/hz :D 75hz/83fps smooth
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HolyMan 25 Oct 2008, 04:45
Ye, teaching an old dog how to sit is difficult. You are just getting old :D
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