Killerboy needs to step down.
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15 Dec 2008, 12:58
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I've said it before and I'll say it again and this time with something to back it up. I love killerboy's efforts but hate his incompetence, and this CC5 has showed once more and quite hard that he simply is not competent enough to be C&A for CB.
He has accused tons of players with very little evidence or even avi's that didn't make any sense why he would even post them. Players that are and have proved to be totally clean.
The ETBot and RSHook lists you gave to me as well to put into the "killerlist" layout I made for the IP matches is also utter bullshit if you ask me. I will gladly post the original file you sent me and have people see the incomplete info you put into that file. Excel sheet lines with only an ingame name, a link to a CB profile, an IP number of a server that person played on and the name of an nC customer... but nothing that links that information together.
Killerboy, you simply need to step down from C&A because you do not have the competence to do the job and you have to realise that your accusations are damaging to people's gaming reputation.
edit: Some people seem to think I only want to flame on him but that's not the issue so just to make things clear on where I stand so you don't misunderstand my intentions. He should step down as the guy that makes the ban decision, but he should not stop his effort to bust cheaters. He simply has a lot to learn and should have a decision maker above him and a couple guys around him to look at the stuff he found out and see wether it's useful or not.
He has accused tons of players with very little evidence or even avi's that didn't make any sense why he would even post them. Players that are and have proved to be totally clean.
The ETBot and RSHook lists you gave to me as well to put into the "killerlist" layout I made for the IP matches is also utter bullshit if you ask me. I will gladly post the original file you sent me and have people see the incomplete info you put into that file. Excel sheet lines with only an ingame name, a link to a CB profile, an IP number of a server that person played on and the name of an nC customer... but nothing that links that information together.
Killerboy, you simply need to step down from C&A because you do not have the competence to do the job and you have to realise that your accusations are damaging to people's gaming reputation.
edit: Some people seem to think I only want to flame on him but that's not the issue so just to make things clear on where I stand so you don't misunderstand my intentions. He should step down as the guy that makes the ban decision, but he should not stop his effort to bust cheaters. He simply has a lot to learn and should have a decision maker above him and a couple guys around him to look at the stuff he found out and see wether it's useful or not.
do you play et at all? if so, why say shit like that? the guy does a load of good work for et, and works so hard to bust cheats, why whine about him? surely you would want et to be as cheat-free as possible?
makes no sense to me...
We need Sherlock, not Adolf.
Even if the fact that are reproached to them are the same.
exitium- 3on3:
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Moreover, he makes differences between players he hates and players he likes in CB judgment.
I though CB was fucked up about cheating before KB joined their crew, but i assume that it's worst today.
Im sure he knows a damn sight more about cheats then you do mate so your point means fuck all if you do know more step up to the plate and do the work you seem to think is so easy?
But keep on sherlocking and digging up evidence against those cheaters, it's of extreme value to the community. And besides, if you're not a C&A-admin, you can flame as much as you want to as well.
has polish president aleady pmmed U to offer polska citizenship ? :p
SERIOUSLY LOLD
check the quote database. HF :D
It's not because players perform (once) well at LAN that they can't be cheaters anymore. It's really not hard to become a decent med/+ skilled player if you train one month hard before the LAN.
still we need to apologize to butchji.
he may not be cheating now, but if you believe him that he was "minimized" or whatever JUST because he told you on lan and he played on lan then you're as gullible as a gull, remember how long passed since that match and afk tracking and tell me you can't become better when playing as much as he did
Btw, I saw the .avi with the tracking last week for the first time and the first thing that came up my mind was: "this is it..?" So that little clip didn't really convince me.
this is all based on the avi, i havent watched any demo or ettv of him. remember that before making me go sadpanda!
epic comment
parra still plays online like some god giving more headshots than pansemuckl could...
and on cc5 he took the word suckage to a whole new level :P
This kind of behavior is SUSPICIOUS, but it doesn't make him a cheater at the moment. He is a busted cheater when there is evidence. That is how it treated every single C&A case when I was CB gamesup. If i would have been a Kboy 2 years ago, players such as mAus would have been banned. In fact, DoneX and I were one of the few saying that he wasn't cheating back then.
i just mentioned both facts and in my oppinion he has not proofen himself to be a good clean player...
perhaps he s had a bad day but to be honest, i dont really care too much about that case.
I will never have respect about him, once beeing busted just makes this player unrespectable for the rest of his gaming carrear... at least for me...
That is perfectly fine. Kboy goes further by deducting that into a public accusation or even a ban.
Perhaps we should have u on C&A ;)
(and thats why parra coudn't get banned because he refused to upload his demo)
But ET needs a guy like him.
He just should think about some of his post twice a time!!!!!
But THANKS FOR YOUR WORK so far, you busted a lot of players which really need to be busted!
THANK YOU!!!
In the end, i rather have five cheaters undetected than that Kboy bans one player that is clean (false positive) and ruins his "gamec areer".
as long as people with experience help him then it is adequate.
w/o killerboy say bb to et.
AoW, some F2k players (like naga or krein).
It would be a devastating loss to the future of ET events if those guys wouldnt have been discovered this lan. Now there is new blood in ET that can come and win those events.
I have been at every event and see many teams play. F2K is top 3 potential.
Would you wanted those guys to be falsely banned? Or better, would you wanted to be banned without evidence if you weren't a cheater?
What is worse?
btw cash; when will the cc5 ceremony be available on quadv? :o
Mind that PB is (almost) not working.
Some of biggest ET bustes (kenta, super) were avi's only, till cheaterlists were released which I guess are not evidence as well, only these busts provided PB with cheat examples and lead to "facts, evidence" from PB I guess.
again speaking about naga, http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=73399#comment1524516 you'll never know, and saying he's 100% clean cause he played good games on LAN is wrong as even I could use bot online, be slightly better, come to lan with my usual skill and still play quite ok, especially with good team
assuming that theres big skill difference between cheats ON/cheats OFF for most of players is wrong in my opinion
and of course bull or anyone who is teammate will say "I believe him.", but same happened with "lan proof" kenta and his team
amount of avis killerboi provides is a kinda good thing (atleast they put some attention to a possibly cheating player, keep's an eye on him so to say), just filter out dumb "LOL HE'S CLEAN GET SKILL", or "LOL 100000% HAX" comments in shitstorm/drama these topics create, they don't decide anything - ban's by avi's can't be decision of one person (thats the point of all this?), there should be many experienced people involved in this, players, admins, whatever
recent slajdans unban was example of fail cb cheat policy
removing kb will do more harm than good, his retarded behaviour on crossfire is a main reason for this journal i think
Admins, experience players, veterans/experts in the community should review it. But that should not be done publicly. You can publicize the evidence after a conviction is made, but you cannot try to alter the community's perception concerning a player.
Moreover, the avis are very stigmatizing and do not give you the entire picture.
Avis only show a certain moment, whereas an entire demo or complete show of the game should be provided. Moreover, as C&A admin you can't use the public opinion. You review the evidence and you don't make it public ESPECIALLY when he isn't banned yet.
Kboy's way is simply not the proper one currently.
On topic of naga: Naga wasn't just good, he was brilliant. It is a similar discovery to the proportions of mAus' breakthrough. He is "that" good ;)
Yet he has done good job whilst taking CB processing faster we can't guarantee his impartiality in certain situations.
and
"epic avi busts category".
LIKE ME !!!! :<
but still.. you must admit some of his avi's were sooo obvious.
Not enough to ban someone, but I think.. he just wanted to make it public that those guys were weird.
Still I think Kboy deserves a lot of respect :)
Stuff is not always as obvious as you want it to be. And the problem is, Killerboy wants it to be.
I didn't accuse naga and if at some point I did, I must've been too drunk to think straight. I do admit that some of the things he did looked suspicious but I never went as far to say that he cheats. I'm even sure that if he had done the nades he did on CC5 on an online match, tons of ppl would be like "haha yah right!" again so to me he's proven that it just looked suspicious, but wasn't at all. He's just a good aimer with smart gamesense.
I'm sure we all call people cheaters every once in a while if we get owned in a weird way a couple times by the same person and I guess there is nothing wrong with it. It's just competitive whine imo, but my point of this journal is that KB goes too far. He has the power to ban people and is not qualified enough to make a proper judgement. Some just say it's suspicious, but he goes as far as making avi's out of every crosshair that went onto someone's head (or close enough) through a wall and calls them cheaters and acts all unprofessional about it. Meanwhile he's C&A for CB so he should only speak up when he actually has proper proof that according to CB rules deserve a ban. Then and ONLY then should he make that information public and post it in a normal professional manner.
Most people dont trust him now and its his own fault. Dont really get what he could obtain from his actions but maybe its his secret plan that mortals like us wont understand.
I dont even trust his 'lists'. Cmon, he just gave some random list of nicks with ips and wants us to believe its the real one. He should start from telling us from who/how he got it but not like 'we hacked into nC site' cause its not really trustworthy explanation.
To sum up, he should be banned on this site next time he gives a comment about somebody's cheating actions. Time to cut the crap. CB has the rules he has to stick to. Obsidian should erase him from C&A with his next mistake. I believe there are other people would gladly take his position and deserves a chance. Maybe it would even be a good thing to choose his successor by the community vote.
@KB
why arent you replying to my argumentation anymore? :<
Or obviously tracking a player behind the wall.. that's suspicious..
You won't hear me say those people didn't play good at LAN,
but that doesn't take away the fact that they were suspicious online :)
I meet him @ cc5
PS: he shock my hand when I was (dunno how to say) doing a joint :/
Btw what happend :P you was winning @ the poker and the out of nowhere you where gone :|
how many hands did you get through in those 10 minutes, 2?
although I agree 10 minutes sounds far too low but still
not fair imo
But maybe ppls are getting tired of the heat, what do i know :)
Oh wait :P
he hasn't even written a comment ;D:D:D:
G O D bless the Ronner
now he can stick up his arse all the jokes about polish players.
ordinary CWEL ,look up f0r the meaning !
better have him doing it than noone else. besides that, everybody's free to make his own judgement on whatever he brings up that looks suspicious.on another note, who gives a fuck about reputation? the ones on killertopics mostly already have a 'weird' reputation and highskillers don't give a fuck about it. i dunno what i've missed but was he doing absolutely 'wrong' decisions as a cb-cheat admin lately or what?
But on the other hand, he shouldn't stop because I don't think any of the people in this community puts that much time and effort into trying to keep ET cheat-free. But I do think he should not be the guy that makes the decisions on CB. Not with his current qualifications.
rofl
and as for the whole "ok, now we saw that guy play on a lan now, he definately, in no way, EVER, will be able to cheat offline again!!!!!!" . what a crock of fucking shite. go home, after lan, after putting a decent performance in, boot up your pc, and do whatever the fuck you like in et now, cos well, youre now "lanproofed" . get a grip :/
varying to 30% and 90% depending on my mood.
As someone else has said, killerboy's downfall is his personality. His posts are too similar to loekino's for me to take him seriously on crossfire.
The problem he faces with ET is that there is basically no real way, 100% to detect cheats anymore so all he is left with is anecdotal evidence with avis etc. When you mix this in with someone who craves attention, it ends up being messy.
To say one weekend on LAN immediately dissolves all accusations of once cheating is pretty foolish.
my opinion is that this cheatbusting crap is very exaggerated. if you know the game well, you can smell botters. no need to crossreference or sniff in other peoples panties ..
so yea, killerboi is doing an ok job, but not ok enough. give him some time, he will fix his competence to all this cheatbusting shit!
oh yeah.. and i doubt there are any real cheaters within the highskilled topnotch lan / EC players. i do believe there are cuntz using cheats in the med/med+ skilled area!
I could be wrong but that's the impression Killerboy gives and to be fair, I think that's half the battle. He's a true workhorse don't get me wrong but his motives for doing so remain a mystery to me.
If he really wants respect and e-peen, he should change his tactics. The only douches in the ET scene that anyone looked up too owned at the game, so he won't become a TosspoT.Jr in that sense.
Take TosspoT as an example, he fucking sucked at ET and don't even mention CSS, that was fucking worse but just check the admiration and influence he has gained over the years by keeping his head down and working hard.
We need guys like him in the community.
Maybe sometimes on the wrong site, but allways interested in cleaning the ET-Community from cheaters!
THX 4 ALL THE WORK, Killerboy !!!!!
That motive should not be necessary. Some of your players were allegedly suspicious according to people with authority and others in the community. That is wrong and only causing hearsay.
The witch hunt to find as many cheaters as possible basically affected your players in a negative way as they weren't getting the credits they actually deserve as being totally clean and good players.
All in all, AoW did surprisingly well on LAN. Good aimers, smart players but most of all, great teamwork.
Crossfire is mostly the reason why teams get "challenged" to come LAN, just to prove their Multigamings that they are clean & skilled. And also able to perform under pressure.
manager is me and Qu@rki, so you are one of this guys who do a alcoholicwar with him XD
So, gr8 job killerboy. Reduce your flame and do your job ;)
I think he's putting much time in it, ofcourse he doesn't need to say to every guy that he's cheating without real evidence.
You say he accused many players for cheating, I don't think without a reason. Naga his avi was fucking strange, it looked like aimfov. 90% tought he was cheating/obvious. Maybe you can say he's lanproof he did well there, can't say if he didn't cheat back in the days or did cheat.
he busted also many players. He tought ths/thaumas was cheating, and yes he did (nclist) and he busted many other players.
that's what I mean:p
try to bust me! you seriously still think I cheat? how dumb XD
saying that someone played the same offline as he did online is also dumbish, seeing how experienced wallhackers hide their wh nothing is certain anymore
Just think about all players he banned just because he was the only one to think they were cheating. Oh, he owned me too hard, I'm gonna ban him from cb and accuse him of cheating, because I'm KB the cheatbuster.
No, sorry mate, it doesn't work like that. He has got good intentions, but not the right sense of judgement.
_____say wha?_______
because everyone seems to be mad at him now
I think that kb intention's are good, but he doesn't apply them properly. He is too young to have such a power, and the consequences of his acts are damaging player's reputation as you said.
So + 1
seems like reading is not your strong point, it clearly says IP use on netCoder's. And for the incomplete info = nC customer's which did not have an ip on nC or didn't get an ip match so there is no info to include.
please keep driving wh33ly