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i'll stay @ Cod4^^

I will play ET if there are servers alive and i will also paly teh new one.

I'll keep playing ET because the Q3 engine is the only FPS engine that works as a competitive game.

So true. Also seems to be most wide-ranging in online fps games so far.

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they said multiplayer will be based on enemy territory

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Where did you read that?
Would be great if you could give me a link <3

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was posted on CF news :P

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they said the same of ET:QW and see how that epicly failed.

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i hope they learned on the qw case how a mutliplayer part has really to be! :)

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+1

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just because of strafing ?

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not really q3 strafing is horrid

only when cpma brought it a little towards quakeworld did it feel good

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Don't think so :s

I will play 6 or more months ET now, then bibuy gaming 4ever

cu in 6 months and 2 weeks ;p

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I reckon it will be alot like ET, and nearly everyone will switch to Wolfenstein just like with RTCW -> ET (obviously excluding the small percentage of hardcore nerds)

Oh, and the gameplay of ETQW is very similar to ET right now with the help of hannes and so on. Since Wolfenstein is based on the same engine as ETQW (idtech4) I predict gameplay will be very similar. There is strafe jumping in ETQW too, which is not that different from ET

A note about FPS and hardware requirements. Remember ETQW was based on ridiculously huge maps, one reason for such problems with the FPS. On the other hand, Wolfenstein will most likely have similar sized maps to ET and RTCW, with no vehicles, planes and so on. The multiplayer is gonna be very simple, just like ET.

ETQW jumps are fucking totally different

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idd ^^

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Yes, but the whole idea of stafe jumping is there, and since this is "RTCW2" I'm pretty sure they are going to keep it very similar to ET/RTCW

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:XD They will? Keep the hope up.

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As I said, this is a sequel to RTCW so they have no choice. They are not gonna change the game completely because anyone would know that would result in an instant fail!

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just because its a sequel it doesnt mean it will follow the older one's, but at multiplayer it will be based on enemy territory anyways, so i think every one will be happy except those with shit pc lol

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I love the "yes, but.."

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Yes, but I love you

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ETQW feels just not good like every other game based on that engine. So I´m afraid it will fail.

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If that's the case, they obviously are gonna learn from their mistakes and fix it in Wolfenstein.

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After Doom3 that was exactly my hope for Quake4 and ETQW, they disappointed both times :(

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Yes, but since this is a sequel to RTCW they actually have no choice this time.

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Lets hope the best :)

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why do they not have a choice? You really think their aim is to please the small percentage of gamers that make up the competitive gaming scene?

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They have no choice because it's a sequel. Why would they make a sequel when the game will be completely different? I've never seen that done before. If it is a different game, they might as well call it something else otherwise this makes no sense.

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The RTCW singleplayer was developed by Gray Matter and the multiplayer by Nerve, both on the quake3 engine. Proven to be a good and populair engine.

Wolfenstein is being developed by Raven on the ID Tech 4 engine. Proven to have failed on Doom 3 and ET:QW.

I don't understand how you can not see the difference. The fact that it's a sequel doesn't mean it will technically be just as good and great to play. It's a totally different engine, developed on by a totally different software company. Ofcourse it's going to be different!

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Why does everyone act like the engine determines how good the game is? That is absolute rubbish. You think it's just a copy and paste job with no modifications? The game engine isn't even half important to determine how a game will feel/look.

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Look no, feel yes.. Ofcourse the engine is an important factor, if not THE important factor of how a game feels. Ofcourse they will do modifications to the engine, but that has been done in the past as well and we have yet to see a game based on the id tech 4 engine that feels greeeat, so it's ok to be sceptic.

I hope I'm wrong ofcourse and that it will rock but I have my doubts.

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QuoteWhy does everyone act like the engine determines how good the game is? That is absolute rubbish.

I recommend you play games for a couple of more years, at which point you'll be able to play a game for 24h and tell wether its utters shit, somewhat mediocre or brilliant.

Why did cod grow so big? It started out as an unknown ww2 shooter using an outdated engine. For some reason ppl kept playing it (maybe cause it put gameplay > new gfx and engine) and the develloper kept releasing sequels using the same outdated engine, not rly investing too much time and effort in mindblowing gfx.

So yeah, the game engine makes half the gameplay. just look at TF2 or Mirrors Edge. Devellopers need to realize the gfx should complement the game. If you make a singleplayer sneaking game à la Thief, you want the gfx to be immersive, soundfx in eax 3d etc. In multiplayer the immersion comes from the gameplay itself, so theres no need for fancy gfx in which case it makes sense to use an older engine (which needs 0 devellopment time) and stick to cartoonlike gfx.

Ofc RTCW2 wont realize this and the gfx will be teh pwn. Well basicly RTCW2 will suck. Just like ETQW did. Just like any other shooter did in the last 8 years.

Old gameengine = gameplay
New gameengine = gfx

I know what to pick ...

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What Ronner said, they will aim for the public players

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q4 felt good with q4max and from 1.3, so its not about the engine, it's about the released before done properly thingy

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q4 1.3 felt better than 1.0

but it still is nowhere near as good as the quake 3 engine

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thats wat i ment for 1.3 > 1.0, but for the q3 engine thingy - it's a gameplay feeling, if you just like the movement of q4, you actually dont like the q3 one anymore because it's so slow :( both engines have their goods and bads, though ive to agree that idtech4 has probably more to complain

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For me there was always a rest of a doubtful feeling even with Q4MAX, which truly was a big advantage, you´re right. The basic engine matters for sure, nearly every game made with the Q3 engine just felt nice and smooth, even in vanilla state.

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most good players switched to cod over ET when the 'fork' release happened - as ET never really had an esports / major lan future... cod did.

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I'll play both, but if it's gonna be good I'll switch for a new wolf ;)
If not, I prolly quit gaming or playing et just for fun

you dont play et for fun these days?

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You know, I meant something like being @ 20 for praccing, playing with some taxes etc that's more or less something serious, and for fun I thought about mixing or 3on3 with friends

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Depends

and what will you do keep playing ET or switch?

I am very sceptic and I am afraid of "commerce" wave and influence on W:ET players - in case that Wolfenstein will be fail many players wil be playing it because its new and as you said money will be in in at least in the beggining - but I hope if it will be shit that it will be like CoD5 or ET:QW and community stick with W:ET.

there is small chance that multiplayer will be awesome, W:ET style with improvement we all want, but thats unrealistic imo.

I can't remember where but it was said the multiplayer will be almost identical to W:ET (not RTCW). And since the multiplayer is being made by EndRant (ex splashdamange employees) I'm sure it will be great.

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If they make a copy of ET then they wouldn't have to make it.

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They would, because they're not earning any money with ET. They know that ET is awesome, and if they make anything like it and support it (decent anticheat, bugfixing, etc), that game will be played.

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maybe, but I don't think they really have the ET community in mind when they release that game. It's about copies being sold, not what the scene wants/likes.

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aint that every follows for everone? XD

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woot?

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Release ET/ETPro with nerfed graphics (for the newbies) = win.

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All games based on WW2 theme are cool, like cod 5 (too bad it's buggy)
so this one will propably rock , Im getting bored of ET ,I would play more COD 4-5 if they were a bit slower. It takes some serious effort to become a fragger on 50 slot pub .
You know what I mean.

so basicly : WW2 theme,new graphics,based on once revolutionary game.

Buy new PC's and start saving money for genuine copy.That game deserves to be bought.

if money is really a factor to a gamer, he must be mentally retarded...seriously :)

+1!

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your flag doesnt fit with your reply
jk :p

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I am 100% Magyar! :D

Hogy vagy?

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well, i can imagine people that play professional gaming already could be tempted to switch to a new game with more money ;d

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So all the top q3 legends who went to q4 were ... retards? Plox toxic > all :'(

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well i guess some 1on1 guys like fatality etc. could probably rly make some money with it, but like 99,99% wont ever earn more than some pocket money tbh ^^

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and if they do bad managers like evo will take it all away :'(

damn i hate life

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surely will give it a try

Quotewill ppl swap or will keep playing ET?

they will swap.

anyway... I want to buy new PC just because of RTCW2!

I'm pretty sure everyone at crossfire will :p

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Like they did with ETQW and came back in no time? :>

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I thought everyone tried the BETA first :o

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huh same here:D my is 5 year old :(
ofc i will buy if i like the game

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I'll buy the game and swap immediatly.

Nice swapping immediately, even tho you cant know do you like it

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I didn't like ET when I started playing it. Liking takes time I think!

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hmm, happened the same with RPG:s for me

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why dont u give a chance to qw then?

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I played the beta and it sucked, not gonna waste money on some alienbased game.

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First time i opened the ET demo and played it i was liek:

- wtf i have to shoot for ages before they die :'(
- wtf this shit lags
- wtf i want my picmip 5 config back :'(
- damn this game sux
- what lvl2 fops? i can spam arty every ally spawn now?
- lvl3 fops gives double strikes, nice
- lvl4 fops = i love this game, fuck yeah!!!

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wanted to do the same, when they released etqw :D (even preordered it)

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ALL THE NEED TO DO IS KEEP ET BUT CHANGE THE MAPS AND SKINS

etpro 3.2.7? :D

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what are we on at the moment>?

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3.2.6 since 2 years :D

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I just play it, don't expect me to remember the currently etpro level. I sturggle to load the game up let alone remember etpro numbers

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I think I will play ET or maybe I am going to css or I will quit :'( probably I will stay ;)

css sux most slowly game ever!

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I think it's funny to try a new game ;) I have it already since begin 2006 but I didn't really like it back then :p but now I am playing some pubs again since couple of days :p only thing I dislike are the hitboxes ;)

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ye, i used to play in cs 1.6 but with cheat (now it doesnt work :() :D it was so fun ;s

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haha :P nah If I would use cheats I would trow 30 euro away :P + it is boring

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well it sux if you have to aim on the nuts to make headshots

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Depends

I don't know about the jumping, but I don't care, SOF2 had no strafejumping but the gameplay was fast anyway.

I am hoping for fast gameplay and few spammy weapons

And yes people will swap from et. If its like RtCW when ET was released then there will be 0 activity, apart from some players who have never heard of wolfenstein 2

SoF2 ? what gameplay?

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maybe rtcw2 need a very high pc -.-

depends what the game is like, if the game isn't like ET or RTCW in ANYWAY shape or form then i will be sticking with ET but i suppose ET will die when it comes out x(

I think it will be a great disappointment for the people who expect a perfect ET2!

first off multiplayer balancing will be most likely made after release. this includes things like competition based settings and proper weapon balancing. so people might complain about shitty balance and fps and quit!

the only thing which makes people eager to see it is that it is the official RTCW successor. would it be developed by a different team / under a different name people would not really care.

PS: nevertheless I really hope it will be great!

If you can mod your config to the maximum again, then i'll be switching. I really hope that it isn't going to be like CoD-series. Aim on sight and stuff.

We'll see soon I geuss

Depends if my computer is good enough, I don't like spending money on computers if it's not really necessary :o

It wont be released, prob never or next year and its got aim on sight how shitty is that

personally i would prefer it to be a later release. maybe around august.

but that's just due to wanting to upgrade a computer but have other priorities for where my money is heading toward at the current time.

i think you will see a lot of new faces to the scene and hopefully it will bring a lot of the old ones back.

however et is on its very last legs no matter what. if wolfenstien is good then it will kill et, if it's not then i still think et will be severely punished with a lot of people losing all hope.

i would say at this very point in time, a lot of people would only be playing ET to kill time for the new wolf.

I'm guessing it will be a fail so I think I'll stick to ET

ill swap to rtcw 2 for sure ....but if i dont like it ill go back to et :)

rtcw2 will be a fail like etqw, my 20 cent.

won't play it, just few more weeks or months of fun with ET for me until I stop gaming.

:<

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i will definitly give it a try, like i did with ETQW...

if it fails i can still skip to the next game, whatever it is :D

the game will 100% fail. there is absolutley no doubt about it.

I expect it to fail since id doesn't listen to it's community. Imho they'll just think about the looks of the game, not about the gameplay.

? You can always modify your settings in this engine. And what do you know about the gameplay in this game when you only saw some screens of the singleplayer

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Then they wouldn't have chosen the idTech4 Engine.

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I actually think a lot of ppl will stick to ET.
Though if the game will be a little bit good I'll still play it, any game with wolfenstein in it makes me cum

i'll check it out and see how i like it :p

at least I will try it, however if it sucks I don't play it. Somehow I hope that they keep same classsystem which are in ET.

I will prolly quit playing after army service due my uni studies!(LOL dunno when I gonne get in one :) ]

If the community accepts RTCW2 I will probably leave et behind.

BREAKING MY HEART HERE

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;)))

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prolly it will get kinda popular. But we'll see if it's good or not. In a positive case many other things will follow

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i think it's an "single player" release, with that i mean there will be in need of competition mods, tho a lot of ET players would like to have it as in et, tho it's a new game so players of anykind should consider it as "the new":>> another thing which im thinking about it are low pc's able to play it?:)

if the game is playable ! i will quit ET for a long time this games sucks :D

I believe it'll be some kind of success, but never know how big one. If it's gonna be good, will start to play it and if I have time, also competitive. If it fails and it won't be having big competitive scene, I prolly skip it right away.

first supply,adlernest,deilivery will needed to be added so i can have some fun if they have big huge massive maps im just going to turn my nose at it

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