Nations- a.k.a Lamercup

by gifty • 25 Jan 2009, 03:27 • Journals

Hey guys
just returned from some club and my ears are still banging and i cant avoid the fact that i start believing i got a hearing damage :(
anyway, the reason i write this topic is pretty simple: i just noticed that chile and australia left the nationscup, so i tried to make some researches and found out that romania and slovenia refused to play with equal pings, now what the hell?
every day the same whine:"oooh et is dying its dying lets revive it with some cups and money and blabla and QUAKECON OFC YEZ YEZ", but when we have the chance to invite the players from all over the world to play the nationscup, some nations really refuse this and make use of that lame advantage. are you kidding me? nice try to revive the community again, sending away other people!
i would understand it if you made money by winning the nationscup but this is just so lame. its meant to be a friendly tournament so i thought it would be normal to give everyone the same chances, or atleast try to.
tonight we play against brazil and we ordered a USA server, so both teams have around 150-200 and i think this is just how it should be.

anyway, this was really pissing me off since i cant see some australia/HM and riCo action :((

anyone else sharing the same thoughts or is this community full of lame bast4rds?

gnight, trying to get my hearing back

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HM & riCo wouldn't have played anyway.

ike is worth the show already

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nationscup is a joke anyway :/

go better sleep :>

backz fromz thez clubz

atleast i have to agree with you gifty

where's the point in it? romania and slovenia will fail anyway...

The point in all of this is basically as the ET community is trying to expand to different countries, the fucking ego of most of the european clans not playing in a server with a ping different than 50-100 is simply stupid. But hey, it's only an opinion from a bad nonamer ;)

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Quiet only Euros are allowed to dominate ET.

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Playing Brazil now on USA server, what a coincidence! Agree, I can't remember anyone whining during last two World Cups (ET-cup and CF hosted one)

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I did when my panzer hit the fence because of lag

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panzerboost!

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even if you would call it "friendly" to play with those shitty pings actually its no fun at all for everyone and as long as CB doesnt force US servers its no can do

rather make some fun showmatches with teams who want play those abroad teams in US for example, its a same game that way eventhough it wouldnt be official CB NC game.

i own you (:

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lies :<

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I was thinking about this last night. Would love to see some showmatches with Japan

vs high skill Europe

seem fine to play with 200, and most Europe

players would get around 150 to the same server.

The

match was fun to watch even when both teams had 200! Might watch a replay :) http://www.gamestv.org/event/1955-australia_vs_team-europe/

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i personally wouldnt play with 200 ping cuz its too bad to do anything you are trying to do. 150 still goes but i guess it wouldnt be fair either because you cant ping like that to the east coast? And even if it looks japan plays ok with those pings they still wud be much better pinging "only" 150.

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on average Japan

get 50 lower then Australia

so they will get 150 to west coast, 200 to central and 250 to east coast. many Europe

players will get 150 to central, resulting in 200 vs 150, which is pretty decent considering we're on opposite sides of the world!

after just watching a bit of the Europe

showmatch, imo the better team will always win if it's even ping, high or low.

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I think only Britts ping 150 on a Central server, I for example ping 175-198 on a Central server.

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stop WHINING, everything below 250 is PLAYABLE (if it's stable), blame yourself.

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THATS NOT WHINE U FUCKING MONKEY.. jesus

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i heard from a remarkable highskiller allstar that only under 55 in dos is playable :o

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ye its playable as long as its stable, its still kinda hard though if ur not used to it

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sure its hard when ur not used to it, but normaly ping is pretty stable so it shouldnt be a problem.. its rather unfair when u let those nations play on euro server with 200/250 ping more then the euro players.. b4 they can see them euro players are already shooting them.. an they also have the to get used to this high ping, even i think they play more often with such pings as we euro players

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I never said anything to contradict that, i was replying to dunno his comment obviously... Not to the op

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i know! but i was just referring to ur sentence :)

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like u ever played on a us server...

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I certainly played much more than you, being the only euro on the server. I never had problems giving headshots and overall enjoying the game, sometimes you need to use the part of your body that is located between the ears. I played CPM too on US servers, which is much more sensititive to ping, and guess what? I have never whined about it, but You are just pathetic.

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like u ever played nc on us server.i know u like to be e-tough,but some respect over the internet wont harm anyone.end of discussion

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Yes we played with Latvia vs Australia on some random Asian or US server in NC. So what? Any excuses?

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if its stable its playable

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The question whether it's fair or not still remains, though. I think if the ping of both teams is the same, then it's perfectly fair, because they see each other with the same latency.

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playable and fun are slighty too different things.

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meez²

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dont ever compare me to him in any subject.

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East Europe countries cant be trusted.

too bad that Romania

and

are in Central Europe

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rofl romania is in southeast not central -_-

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its considered central europe,thats what they told us in school
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe

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I was told on studies that there isnt anything like Central/Middle Europe from the geographical point of view. It's rather a politological term. But thats a questionable issue and it is surely not any paradigmat.

edit: btw, i checked your link:
It has been suggested that Mitteleuropa be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)
This article or section contains weasel words, vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information. Such statements should be clarified or removed. (January 2009)

edit2: btw, if you check the map, it clearly shows that you are on the same line as ukraine, which is east europe :)

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yes,but ukraine goes much more in to the east side , so i think that compared to ua, romania is considered central

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Like schools in Romania are trustworthy?

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apparently the level of teaching in post soviet middleeast europe countries is quite nice.
while in europe, you are only tought how to GET knowledge, where to search, you are not given that amount of knowledge itself as in Poland, etc (not quite sure about Romania though).

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So what you're saying is that university's in the UK, France and the Netherlands are not as good as schools in Poland?

That was just a pure question, no insult..

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Surely, Western schools are well equipped, there is money, for studying, for research, etc, while Poland is poor if it comes to such issues.
Secondly, Western education is far more advanced into specialisation. While Polish schools are still teaching 'everything' - much knowledge about different things.
And third thing - connected with two previous ones: difference between learning things and learning where to search.

Now it's up to you to decide which one is good. I'd stay with renaissance conception. But the modern world is going to the opposite direction. It has its reasons but its too long for me to talk about them now (got session now :P). And Polish schools are moving towards Western model.

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It's at the East of my country, that was my point.

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well every country is north and south or east and west from your country

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In Europe ? Not rly.
But yes, my country is from Western Europe.
But i guess that you alreayd get my point. If not, 2bad.
Btw, that was sarcastic @ first post, dont get mad cause you are from slo eh ;)

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QuoteIn Europe ? Not rly.

So, you are basically saying the World is plain, not a sphere? :-)

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Country: USA

could be

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hahahah :D

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Hehe, fail :D.

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Totally agree. I don't get why people enter these cups seemingly without wanting to play..

because it's nations cup, all pros playing here and big chance to get raped in first round with ettv 300 ppl watching : DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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I'm talking about any cups without a prize not just nations cup.

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<3 Gifty! It seems the high skill teams are more open to playing with 150 pings whereas the low teams will do anything to win. Good on Switzerland

for playing Brazil on a US server!

I also agree playing high ping is not great, but let's just have some fun in ET's final days!

Of course, it's always that way. If they were losing to you, and they still had 50 ping, they'd whine that you're unhittable. Any excuse works.

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FiFFFFFFFFF-style

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there are also some things called facts

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As in "FiF got owned and searched for an excuse".

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didn't spec them ? With their pings it was very clear they couldn't hit a shit

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:DDD

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Jij bent echt debiel, want wij wonnen uiteindelijk gewoon makkelijk met 4-2.

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Thanks for confirming what I said, even if it's in dutch.

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jus a bunch of noobs anyway you think youar anygood if you play this gay shit with some team? come 1on1 vs me and lets see how good you are

1v1 != ET

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you got cpm?

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I remember that The Netherlands played versus a clan to with 200 ping, Perfo got bored and started random trickjumping...

but yeah, its fair to play both with the same ping, so nobody got a advantage.

I can only remember playing Australia with 250 ping: 1) i shot rifle 2) mate walks in front 3) due to lag i hit mate with rifle 4) killed myself with rifle. Did that like 4 times :D

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i perfo i shoot mate for me rifle

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Yeah, thats the one. I started laughing my ass off when u started trickjumping cause U couldn't hit a lot!

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but but, ping 150!!!!1

no problem for IMTCSS, but we are used to high pings, what with playing from Zarzillon 9.

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What cg_autoaction command is that?

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he might of jst condump'd

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it's 7

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I have that and it's all smeared out on 2 lines (so you have to scroll to the right for like evaah) :<

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open the file with word pad ;)

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never had any problems with getting frags when having stable high ping. It just shows how pathetic slovenian and romanian nc teams are.

agree with your coment mate :DDD <3

nice opinion,gifty <3
but it is difficult
coz Tosspot is whining too

Hi KIKARK YOU PLAYED WELL! GRAT
i GREET mIRUKU :d

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thx
gl against COLUMBIA

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Kirark if they start whining play on an EU server so they have a good ping, then own them with 300ping like you did in the last NC :p Japan all the way <3

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Im going to do so

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Good on you mate :D

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I already made a topic about this.

Slovenia is i must say the lamest country this year, i really can't get this. 2 years ago Bosnia played against Chile too. And we all agreed to play on USA servers. And they won it, butdont care? it was hell of game and thats whats important!

bEST BACK FORM THE CLUB JOURNAL EVER

wELL, i THINK iTS LAME TO MAKE QUALIFIER GAME FOR A NATIONCUP IN ET.
hUNGARY WONT PLAY ON A EUROPEAN SERVER.. wE WILL AGREE TO PLAY ON AN EAST-AMERCIAN SERVER OFC.. (AGAINST COLUMBIA)

well how stupid are the nationscup rules than? if you want it to be a fun cup, make good rules. like 1 map on their server the other on our.. or 1 map on a server that is a middle but wit ha slight advantage for them and 1 map that is in the middle but with a slight advtange for us
you can even make 1 round per server. there is ways to make this workable
but stupid admins are stupid

well nothing can always be fair for both teams, if it was going to be fair for teams like canada, there would be 1 map on NA server and one on EU server. But we just have to deal with it and play with the high pings always, no use of whining about it all the time.

"play and stfu"-should be the motto

always troublemakers those easteu guys

Nationcup - Flamercup

east europians should just gtfo.

whats next? polish teams only willing to play on polish servers because their ping is to high on any other EU server?

i totally dont agree with that. This is nationscup not europeanscup :)

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I think you didn't get it.

I want the east eu teams OUT, because they are shit and don't want a fair game.

but seeing comment below, the homeland rule should stay! thats the only rule that makes the NC a bit fair, everybody can say they are turkish, but their passport mostly says "Nationaliteit: Nederlands(e)"

I wasn't allowed as captian for jamaica because my passport said the same, and nobody is going to believe a white man that says he's from jamaica :(

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arrogant shithead

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you are a fucking moron... the west europe players dont want to play on polish servers, because ping 98 is unplayable... god how stupid and selfconcerned you can be

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irrelevant retard shit

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Team Turkey is not accepted in cup cuz of this " 4 lineup players must live in homeland" rule really weird rule :( and i realized a lot of teams whining about the ping problem all teams must play with the similar pings imo or there wont be justice...

Remove this Homeland rule and add this ping rule :) would be more useful eh...

homeland rule, is needed - over the internet allot of things are too easy to fake, you could probably even fake what country you're playing from. But somehow this will keep the majority of these players away, since its hard to proof.

I myself also had a problem with this rule (team bosnia) but in the end, clanbase is right about it.

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i am willing to prove my players identity by their passports and national citizen papers :)

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yet again, possible to fake - pretty easy

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well i would have got highskilled players in team turkey then but see i dont and everyone knows razzah shakozor banaan etc. are turkish players so i dont need to fake anyone eh

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Theres a minor chance that now and then u get to play with 150ping even in European match.

tonight we play vs team columbia on a us server, imo it shouldnt be something like "OMG WTF WE SHOULD PLAY ON US SERV LOLOLOL", just poor from those nations and players which ego is bigger as their sense for fairplay.. cant understand why so many ppl are afroid of playing 1 or 2 games in a year on a us serv.

Agreed, it's just lame..

Welcome to Clownbase :|

i thought this game is about teamplay ._.
this " i cant aim with a f00kin' 150 ping" is annoying guys..

The real answer is that they are just afraid of loosing to "unknown et nations"
like Brazil,Japan (imo they are one of the best nations in et,but there are a few guys who just dont know these guys :p <3 MiRUKU) and so on .. :<

I wouldn't call Brasil one of the best nations in the World before they actually played their game ;-p

Agree on Japan though, and the old Australia was easily one of the best in the world as well.

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i was talking about Japan with the "best nations" part :-P

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I AIM WITH MY Malta

150PING... seriously!!

All the whining about high ping is pretty retarded. Of course it's a bit harder, but it's far from unplayable. All the whiners just can't aim, they just jerk their mouse around and use their settings as a crutch to get hits.

The rules are: they dont have to play on an american server. So they are extremely lame but right

malta have their offi vs USA 2nyt, and we'll be playing on a UK server as like that, us maltese will have 98-120 ping and USA will have 98-150 ping, which is really fair

Agree, I really hate the attitude. Especially when it's from a shit team who clearly have no chance, I mean come on have some respect, play the game and either way you will lose.

I demand a poll!

I demand a CF NC 3v3 and 6v6 right now! No qualifiers! looser brackets! + use antipro! + no pb.

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Blame rules, not countries (although they behave like fags).

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btw here, it's the country who refused to play... They had the choice..

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idd, at first, blame clanbase

They are used to high pings, europeans are not. So if you think some more about it, simply raising the ping of one country would give which country a benefit?

It's as stupid as the turnscript issue imho.

The only fair thing would be to take a server which lowers the ping of the first party, while raising the other partys ping as little as possible.(which would be to take a uk based server)

And you speak about ET dying? So why couldn't the other countries just play with high ping? It's about the fun, not the money as you said.

believe me, fun stops when you have to play with 500 ping, you can't move anymore. up to 200 its quite playable if it's stable.

and i dont really see the problem if you , as example while playing against chile/colombia/usa/australia, try to get equal pings for both parties. so why would this benefit the australians? it would EQUAL it, not benefit the others

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I can barely play with over 100 ping, it is not equal because the teams you mention usualy praccs europeans on european servers, and there is more europeans teams than elsewhere which concludes in that the non european teams gets more training with lagg then the european one.

Still can't see the point in making it worse for one team just because the other team got some kind of issue, it doesn't work that way in any other sport.

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I've actually watched team brazil playing vs some other team and 4 brazilian players played with a ping higher than 600, it didn't look unplayable, though. The only visible issue was that they saw the other players around 0.5 seconds after I did.

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Now I want to clarify the situation about Romania. First of all I want to mention that I quited team Romania due to this facts that happend. The real leader (lover) asked me for playing for Team Romania. I said if I would be available at the playingdate then I will play otherwise not. Okay, lets continue. Biggz asked me for testing the ping on the USA(eastside)server. Both of us had 200ms as ping. I said it is fine to Lover and we could play to have an ever ping. Then Lover said that he will ask the team about this decision(democratic). I said it is no point of getting a forfeit or something because if Romania acts like this they cannot prove at all what they can do or what skill they got. So basically it would be lame. Some Romanian players that I don't want to mention here said that it wouldn't be any point of playing versus a low+ team (Australia and that is quoted from a Ro player). So I made my decision because of several reasons. Also I need to mention that the Australian guys are really nice. And for me they are the real winner. : )
If you still got some question feel free to ask me.

<3 thanks

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never had any problems playing with 200 ping everything above is a bit difficult

Dunno why chile guys were whining anyway. I mean, i wouldn't whine if i was aiming 10 meters away from their head and i'd be still giving headshots. And yea they had stable pings.

The point is that they see the enemy 0.55 seconds later than you do with your 50 ping. So you basically get a reaction adventage of half a second, and that's just not fair, considering that you can easily kill someone in one second.

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But they were more unhittable cuz of high ping so that 0.55 seconds means shit.

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Lol, gtfo

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There's no logic behind what you're saying. Technically the ping only affects the latency of the communication between server and client. People with normal ping still need to aim at the texture of the highpinger to hit them, that's not changed at all.
So what you're describing is placebo and nothing else.

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Well my point is that slovenia didn't have any advantage at all.

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If there wasn't any at all, why not play on an equally pinged server?

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Well I have to disappoint you, but I dont know the answer on that question. And thats because i don't even play for team slovenia...I don't even play et. You should ask their captain that question.

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nah not really. they also get hit 0.55 seconds later than they would with a lower ping. and when you play with a lower ping against a higher ping both sides face the same kinda weird stuff (like dying behind a wall, etc). its called antilag.

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if both have the same ping ok. But playing against polaks or some other people with >100 ping and i have 48 ping is really shit.

because of unhitability ?

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yeah

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same for me :<

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I CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT FOR THIS SHIT.

I played one year with 200 ping, it's playable, just need few hours to get used to it (and forget jump shots and pistol).

Actually we followed the rules pretty well.

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