rtcw2 engine

by rize • 25 Feb 2009, 19:47 • Journals
As far as i remember some of u whined, this game will have another engine, then the quake 3 one.

I wanna ask, how u can differ 2 different engines?

What exactly ar the points, which u can differ during the playing?

Is it some kind of feeling?

Isnt it possible to adapt the rtcw2-engine to have the et-feeling?

so, whats wrong with rtcw2 using another engine, if it can be adapted to the et-feeling?
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sani 25 Feb 2009, 19:49
can't remember anymore

E: - Wolfenstein is going to run on a heavily modified Doom 3 (id tech 4) game engine. This is confirmed on id Software's website.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 19:58
Same was announced for ETQW.
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strN 25 Feb 2009, 19:49
download qw/q4 demo and feel the difference :<
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 19:49
QuoteIsnt it possible to adapt the rtcw2-engine to have the et-feeling?

Quote by wikiEngine id Tech 4 (heavily modified)


I'm pretty sure that's what they plan to do.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_(video_game)
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 20:08
Keeping fingers crossed, though it´s hard to have faith after ETQW.
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 20:14
ETQW wasn't a sequel to RtCW or W:ET. The only reason it was called "Enemy Territory..." was purely because of the class sytem, and that's it. Obviously, they aren't goning to mix everything up with Wolfenstein because it IS a real sequel to RtCW. Most people are judging Wolfenstein because of ETQW, but if they do their real research it means nothing.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 20:27
- Doom 3 (sucks) was a "real" sequel to Doom 2 (rocks).
- Quake 4 (sucks) was a "real" sequel to Quake 3 (rocks).
- ETQW was not announced as a sequel because of the strogg theme, it´s the only point imo. It has so many similarities they tried to put in the gameplay compared to W:ET that it´s just ridiculous to claim it has nothing to do with W:ET.
- RTCW 2 will be a "real" sequel to RTCW/ET. The past showed they are able to screw things up, let´s hope for the best.
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 20:57
Do you mind naming all the similarities? If there were "so many" similarities why was it nothing like ET (please don't say the engine or I will flip). Oh, and it is a real sequel. RtCW 2 = Wolfenstein. They just changed the name. Watch the interviews, read wikipedia and use google.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 21:14
I didn´t say it won´t be a real (at least official) sequel, maybe you got that wrong because of the quotes.

Ok to name a few similartites:
- classes
- weapons (rifle nade, panzerfaust, supportfire, 3 hs kills)
- escorting/destroying vehicles
- constructable/destroyable objectives
- primary/secondary objectives
- stealing/securing documents
- spawn system
enough?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:16
Now name all the FPS games that have those same features (or at least 90%). Yea, too many. :)
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 21:23
Do we play "question and answer" here or will you show up with some counter-arguments?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:26
Seriously, list all the games that have most of those features. Now, are those games similar to ET? Didn't think so.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 21:33
QuoteDo we play "question and answer" here or will you show up with some counter-arguments?
...and keep the discussion going?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:38
Stop trying to avoid the original question and answer.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 21:45
Actually and strictly speaking there is no original question anymore, it´s more a request...Maybe you should read through it again and you will perhaps notice that you didn´t try or couldn´t counter to any of my former arguments. I overlooked it but it seems you don´t know how to discuss a theme properly :(
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 21:56
dont bother, he does the same to me.
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:56
QuoteIt has so many similarities they tried to put in the gameplay compared to W:ET that it´s just ridiculous to claim it has nothing to do with W:ET.


You regarded my comment that "ETQW has nothing to do with ET" as ridiculous; in your words it has everything to do with ET because of the similarities. Now, back to the question you still have failed to answer. List all the FPS games with most of those features. Are those games regarded as failures to ET?
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 22:02
It´s still no question but I know what you mean. So here´s my lovely answer:
I don´t know, please tell me.
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 22:09
Battlefield (probably all of them)
WarSaw
Quake 3
Quake 4
WarRock

etc etc
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 22:17
So you are actually telling that Q3/Q4/Warsow have the same class system, objective system and spawn system as ET/ETQW/BF. Am I really right here or did I get something absolutely wrong?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 22:20
As I said, 90%.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 22:24
even if it was 10% ... I´m out of words :DDDDDD

image: Blank-Facepalm
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mama 25 Feb 2009, 19:49
english motherfucker , do you speak it ?
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okkoTamasuki 25 Feb 2009, 20:24
stop whine & eat a hamburger !:D
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Severus 25 Feb 2009, 19:49
eine tasse kakao bitte
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darthmob 25 Feb 2009, 19:50
if you want to feel what its' like:
idtech3 is used in Q3 / ET
idtech4 is used in Q4 / ETQW (modified) / most likely in wolfenstein
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eiM 25 Feb 2009, 19:53
idtech3 is used in all CoD titles, though heavilyst modified and prolly I wouldnt call it idtech3 anymore

just an example on how you can change the feeling by correctly modyfying an engine. And the CoD feeling is great :p
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M1lk 25 Feb 2009, 20:07
but cod was based on the already great tech3, etqw and q4 on tech4 and both feel shit. so needs a lot of work to get the right feeling, which is this journal about i guess :p
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darthmob 25 Feb 2009, 20:17
even the latest two CoDs? that would be impressive!

but you are right. the call of duty series always performed nice.
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eiM 25 Feb 2009, 20:33
cant tell about cod4 but someone told that to me aswel... cant find evidence^^
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yellowpowerranger 25 Feb 2009, 19:50
honestly, the doom³ engine is just crap
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chronos_ 25 Feb 2009, 19:52
q3 engine > * forever
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okkoTamasuki 25 Feb 2009, 20:25
+100000000000000000000000000
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 19:53
just walk/jump/strafe and u know what the quake engine is about
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rize 25 Feb 2009, 19:57
its what i meant, arent there any properties in the engine, where u can change all that parameters and make the et-feeling?
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 20:04
no
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 20:18
Clearly you don't know what your talking about.
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 20:28
u are right, i dont know shit about modyfing engines, but u surely aint about to tell me that u are able to change a whole engine by some settings
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 20:53
How on earth can you change an engine by settings.
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 20:56
did i say that u are able to change an engine by settings ?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:08
Quotebut u surely aint about to tell me that u are able to change a whole engine by some settings
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 21:23
so ?
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beggin 25 Feb 2009, 21:25
kazzam to Earth, kazzam to Earth.
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kazzam 25 Feb 2009, 21:33
rize: able to change engine by settings/properties?
me: no
u: u know nothing lol
me: i dont, but u dont want to tell me that it is possible to do so
u: u cant
me: lololo i just said that
u: "but u dont want to tell me that it is possible to do so"
me: so?
u: some galaxian shiat


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eiM 25 Feb 2009, 19:55
if it is modyfied correctly it can be great. Take CoD series as an example of a proper modyfied (heavily) Idtech3 engine
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 19:56
The basic engine is just great, you can modify everything and it will still be great :)
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 19:55
Play Q3/RTCW/ET/COD1
then
play D3/Q4/ETQW
then
start whining.
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Dolar 25 Feb 2009, 20:04
=D unfortunately its true but made me laugh :D
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cheasy 25 Feb 2009, 20:00
like they won't modify the engine they are gonna use..
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drv4c 25 Feb 2009, 20:12
well you can feel the difference between engines when you play et and when you play et:qw

i just hope they won't modify the engine to match et:qw style of playing
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tactics 25 Feb 2009, 20:31
No, the engine is what gives the game a certain feeling. If it's different it's different.
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Sainted 25 Feb 2009, 21:04
Most elements of the Doom 3 and ET:QW feeling are there because its what most people wanted at that time. Though there are often limitations upon the game developers choices due to financial constraints, bad management, tight schedules etc.

John Carmack himself said that the networking code in the Doom 3 engine could be a lot better. It was improved upon in Quake 4 (which is afaik the codebase used for the upcoming Wolfenstein game) and ET:QW, but in both cases there was still room for a lot of improvement.

The idTech4 engine itself is a heavily modified version of the Quake 3 engine (idTech3), which also powers W:ET and RTCW. Though the changes are pretty major compared to the changes a game like CoD4 has made to it. idTech4 is programmed in C++ whereas idTech3 was written in C. C++ doesn't offer any real advantages compared to C for players, however seeing object oriented paradigm of programming is more widely supported nowadays, its easier for modders and game developers to work on content for idTech4.

Other advantages of idTech4 include better graphical capabilities [than idTech3] "out of the box", better lightning effects, an improved physics engine and easier interaction with ingame elements using a GUI was added (if you ever played Quake 4 or Doom 3, you could notice there are computer panels in which you can click specific buttons, and the screen would react to that).

I also read the upcoming Wolfenstein is using Havok physics in addition to the physics already offered by the idTech4 engine, which should be nice if you like ragdolls and stuff.
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S3ti 25 Feb 2009, 21:31
All nice stuff if you look at it through the eyes of a programmer. Havoc physics and graphics stuff is nice if you look at it through the eyes of a casual public gamer.
Playing it more seriously and if you will competitively means to get rid off ragdolls, too much gfx details and so on.
In the end there is the engine which should provide a good feeling when aiming, moving, when you are just using it.
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Klapp 25 Feb 2009, 21:35
dno dont care gona buy the game anyway
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