Always remember.
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1 Sep 2009, 06:21
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Baptised in fire - 40 to 1, spirit of spartans, Death and glory, soldiers of Poland second to none, wrath of the wehrmacht brought to a halt.
Always remember a fallen soldier, always remember fathers and sons at war, always remember buried in history.
Always remember a fallen soldier, always remember fathers and sons at war, always remember buried in history.
FIRST TO SURRENDER
BTW. NICE AGE, DID YOU ALREADY LEARN ABOUT WW2?
Cruise control into Poland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_HM5doCc9A
Total Casualties in WW2:
German Casualties: 6,533,000 to 8,493,000
Soviet Casualties: 23,954,000 !!!!
Chinese Casualties: 10,000,000 to 20,000,000
Polish Casualties: 5,000,000 to 6,000,000
As for lossess, you should take a look at percentages. As for bravery, you should take a look at lossess caused to other countries (anyway, is that a thing to be proud of?).
Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to say that poles are better soldiers than german ones, or that we're better in anything than anyone. It's just that I hate to see sentences like that. Remember that Poland was country recreated 20 years earlier after lost independence. There was no time for it to prepare properly, especially taking into account that it was attacked by both Germany and Soviet Union, from both directions and did not receive any help at all during defense from any of its allies.
But well, I hate wars. In every case/instance. It's just that reasons behind it are usually so artificial... Mussolini dreaming about another Rome, Hitler who hated jews because he liked blond blue-eyed guys, Stalin revening on Poland for Battle of Warsaw 1920 and slaughtering captives, etc, etc... Not to mention that the whole "country border" idea is so artificial nowadays and makes me think that dictators tend to imagine world as some strategy game or something... And it's repeating all over and over again... And yet people are argueing about some bullshits like "which country was better and which lost most" instead of just agreeing that all these wars shouldn't take place and that nobody win it since losses were everywhere.
Sometimes I wonder whether we're not heading for another world in less than next 300 years, though this time probably starting outside the europe and maybe even not splitting the europe... But it's still the same.
And lets not forget Stalin :D
LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL'D WITH THAT PIC
One should just delve into Europe's history to see how much it owees to Poland not only in WW 2, but on several occasion throughout the second millenium. Poland was always a shield to europe from invasions from the east, by forces trying to conquer europe like the ottoman empire, mongol empire the red army (under Lenin) etc. The only problem was that it was under continues external stress by strong forces (Prussians west, Austria-hungarians south, Russians East, Tartars Ottomans and others South east). It also had little gepgraphic protection which was always compensated by the fact Poland had the strongest army in europe with the best cavalry at that time (something like modern tanks). Used tho be the biggest country in the world. It is no wonder that under internal stress it crumbled by the pressure from around leading to its end in the 18th century.
It is also quite miracelous how long poland managed to hold against a force much greater like the wehrmacht and the russian army at the same time if you look that it only existed for 20 years. In WW2 it was mostly due to people like the poles that the allies won. They broke the enigma code making it possible for the allies to read the interecepted mesages of germany and predict a lot of their movement. One can only imagine how great this contributed to the allied victory. They also had the highest efficiency and most kills out of any squadrons in the RAF of england.
Anyway, Spartan spirit or not, attacking tanks with horses and a blade just isn't smart :D
Polish cavalry couldn't fight against German tanks. Not, that it's technically possible, but our cavalry units were based about 100km away from the nearest path of advance of German armoured units.
Still, when it comes to the battle of Wizna, nerds got rolled, even though they were led by one of the very best German commanders of that time.
Quite contrary to the Eben Emael (Belgium) battle, where 800 Belgian soldiers got owned by 80 German paratroopers.
Edit: now doubting whether you are subjective or not :/
Polish defence was set up to delay germans, till france and england join the fight... fucking bastards never did :X
"The effective range was 300 metres and the weapon was effective against all German tanks of the period (the Panzer I, II and III, as well as the Czech-made LT-35 and LT-38) at 100 meters. At up to 400 meters it could destroy all lightly-armored vehicles."
1000 men trying to dismantle the tank with their bare hands before it shoots them all
- Adolf Hitler
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p108_Schoeman.html
The only thing that kept germany from conquering britain was the english channel. U guys were total losers before USA joined your side. Sad but true
So that would make Finland zeh best, all hail!
And btw without any help from Russia or the USA the UK would have been overrun without a problem.
yes wise decision, I'll shut up :D
It was the Soviet Union on its own on the East Front, what are these other Eastern Nations you're talking about?
as if russia were fighting in foreing surroundings :D ?
if poland had certain heroes, might be enough for a legend, but surely the entire country got marched over pretty easily :p
Apparently finland was important for the soviet union, because they put all and I'm saying all their forces against finland. It was a 67 vs 1 situation. Still Finland could stand that situation almost 6 years before the peace occurred. Poland lost all its territory in 2 weeks in a warfare called bliztkrieg. I guess u know that much ger that the term refers to lightning because of the speed. So, what is 2 weeks compared to nearly 6 years? And soviet union had a lot more massive army than germany ever.
And on the point of your ignorance. There are no mountains in finland, not even a single one. Canada never took part in the war either. Soviet union and USA were the main contestants, whereas the conquered countries couldn't really do anything but run away (eg. poland). And yes we were allies with hitler. Apart from his crimes against humanity I admire his warfare and leading skills.
And pls, stop replying to me, because obviously we are talking about something here that u got no knowledge of, so this is kinda useless talking when all your facts are just wrong
There are no over 1000m high hills (aka mountains) in finland. There are a few of about 800m and they are all in lappland, so far from the border of the former soviet union. U know that skiing is possible even without mountains?
Poland got conquered in 2weeks and after that they couldn't do a thing. Many polish jews etc got murdered and no one in poland could help that (and I don't favor this action at all).
Ofc germany were better organized than soviet union, but SU had tanks and airplanes and a lot more stuff than finland. The numbers were about 67 to 1 as I already said earlier. And finland never got conquered. We only lost a bit land called Karjala and a bit in the northern part.
Whatever, I'm tired of teaching history to u, so either believe me or read it somewhere yourself
been there, done that :d
Geez, I used to think you're smart, either you are an idiot or your historical knowledge is extremely limited.
Poland saved Europe from 2 invasions. First stopping the Ottoman Empire in the Battle of Vienna in 1683 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna ).
In 1920 we stopped Soviet forces in the Battle of Warsaw. I hope you are aware of the fact, that the Bolshevik's plan was to go through Poland and then start the revolution in Germany (planned ahead btw), similar to the one that happened in Russia. The USSR would be stretching from Kamchatka to Saarland, if Poland didn't stop them and then push back to Kiev.
9000 PENISSES
How do you expect to be taken seriously when you come out with bollocks like that?
National pride in anything is silly (:
I'd imagine, as sol says, you can find heroism anywhere - and despair, waste and horror in equal measure.
Anyone glorifying war can fuck right off.
Anyone making a show of "my arbitrary ethnic grouping is better than yours" can fuck right off.
Agreed?
However, I bet Ireland would of fared much better if it was in Poland's shoes being the powerhouse that Ireland was during the war (harharhar)
think twice before saying poland got steamrolled.. Poland was the bigges problem for the nazis as it was the most resistant countries of all and had the biggest underground resistanse army in WW2 with estimates of around 400 000 members. I state again, they were the most feared soldiers of all, and this comes from german veterans accounts.
There is really much to say about poland that would eventually take your vision of poland being streamrolled away. I suggest you read Norman Davies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Davies .
Casualties and losses
poland
15 killed
53 wounded[1]
167 taken prisoner
germany
350-400 killed
16 heavy machine guns
1 Armored Draisine
thats the first battle of WW2 and just one small example of how polish fought, not only in WW2 but throught the history of its existence,, always outnumbered never outdone so to speak
kind of different from your view of poland getting steamrolled don you think?
In a time of 'the' bomb, who fears a single soldier?