An open reply to Clown
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20 Jan 2010, 21:01
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For those of you who didnt see - Clown wrote a column attacking Krosan for his recent questions about the map pool for CIC7, I have taken it down and I invite Clown to write a real column that is not out an outlandish attack on one person. I seem to remember flaming snoop in a newspost and being shot down by the high and mighty in ET, well either they didnt see this comment or they've turned a blind eye on this occasion.
However - may I make a general statement towards Clown and anyone else deciding to attack the admins. 8 weeks ago your game was dead, 8 weeks ago you'd just come off the most boring uninspiring EC final with the most laughable turn out in the final in a long time. Now your game is active and thanks in no small part to the work of Krosan you had 4 Intel cups. Krosan put more work and hours into those cups than ANY other admin including myself. Krosan spent some of his christmas holiday coding a new search engine for CF which will be going online as soon as the rest of us can catch up with him. Krosan was the one who did all the work on the HM awards. However, Krosan was not the person that picked that map pool. You're not going to flame the person who picked that map pool because you're trying to get money out of him to sponsor you to CC7 so you decided to pick on Krosan.
The next time you think its a good idea to go and flame one of the most active contributers to this community because you dont like a mappool why dont you just TRY to think again and think about the reprecussions of your actions. What the ET community must realise very quickly, is there are very few good reliable contributors left in this game but there are plenty of flamers trying to drive them out.
However - may I make a general statement towards Clown and anyone else deciding to attack the admins. 8 weeks ago your game was dead, 8 weeks ago you'd just come off the most boring uninspiring EC final with the most laughable turn out in the final in a long time. Now your game is active and thanks in no small part to the work of Krosan you had 4 Intel cups. Krosan put more work and hours into those cups than ANY other admin including myself. Krosan spent some of his christmas holiday coding a new search engine for CF which will be going online as soon as the rest of us can catch up with him. Krosan was the one who did all the work on the HM awards. However, Krosan was not the person that picked that map pool. You're not going to flame the person who picked that map pool because you're trying to get money out of him to sponsor you to CC7 so you decided to pick on Krosan.
The next time you think its a good idea to go and flame one of the most active contributers to this community because you dont like a mappool why dont you just TRY to think again and think about the reprecussions of your actions. What the ET community must realise very quickly, is there are very few good reliable contributors left in this game but there are plenty of flamers trying to drive them out.
And about Krosan, I haven't seen him playing in any decent clan. Does he ever played ET anyway? Or he's just an admin? Then in some cases he should listen to the players.
players hate "lotto" maps but spectators don't. (that and running a lan to or ahead of schedule ;p).
Where did I write that he picked that mappool? I meant that he write sometimes some weird things (about maps, cups, clans etc etc) like he played hundreds of offis but it looks like he lacks of experience in competitve ET.
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clown maybe high but not allowed to act like a god
Forget that, really why reply to something after deleting it? Nobody's going to take your opinion seriously if they can't read the original and decide who is in the right.
TosspoT why do you start a discussion like this over something that is already deleted? Geez, those wankers...
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beside that ive just overflew this journal so I didnt really get the mappool thingy, nor Iam really into the ET scene but it bothered me always that you didnt make some extra section in the organisation with some people playing the game long enough or active on a high level to decide things like mappools/configs/punkbuster related things, etc. Because it wont cause any harm and maybe some players are more satisfied with the decision.
+ this wasnt intended to be the casual whine, but constructive critic, since I think the only thing keeping ET alive is actually crossfire
funneh
HERE u go , take a FRISTI!
Don't mind me, I just put random pics here and there...
On a more serious note though, I like cheese.
On an even more serious note, you got a point.
Beside the fact that Frostbite and Braundorf are both shit the rifle is definately to overpowered on both of these maps, especially in 5on5s.
What?
On another thing. Clown said that the top10 teams in ET should decide the maps. Even if he got a point, the top10 teams in ET aren't the only ones playing and enjoying the game. Without the other players and spectators those top10 teams wouldn't be anything, because the community makes the game active. With just 10 teams in ET this game would be pretty much dead. So you have to pick a spectator friendly map pool as well.
He suggested a closed group of highskillers to select the maps but I'd rather see some open vote or differently picked panel (skill doesn't matter but knowledge of the game) to pick the maps
Totally fucking yes.
Reactor really is different, but I think it's just good to show ppl also a different side of ET, and especially the last stage is always so exciting, so I really vouch for that one
Braundorf 5on5 is a joker, I really don't know how it will turn out.
Firstly, I didn't openly laugh about clown's map taste. This is what I wrote: "he just disgusts reactor massively" regarding reactor. You were to one deducting he's a lamer. I never disrespected Clown's opinion.
Secondly, I've played ET from the first day it was released, and started playing competitively 3 years ago. I even played RTCW from beta 2. Sure I play on a low to med level, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how the maps play or how the scene develops. And during the past 2 years I've played more 5on5's than most of you since I play with mixes and it's always hard to find 6 players at the same time.
And thirdly, gambit is a crossfire user like anyone else, and if he posts racist slurs on newsitems (even if it was massive sarcasm) he deserves the same treatment as everyone else. Maybe people should read the rules sometime. Posting fake logs of my pms gets his journals removed. And if he reposts the same journal, he deserves a 1-day-ban. I didn't give this ban but next time I will, as that's what would happen to anyone that thinks he's allowed to do everything on this site. I'm probably the most active admin at this moment, so you see my actions a lot more than other admins, but that doesn't mean I should ignore everyone.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
I never said you shouldn't take part in picking the maps, it was Clown who quoted you. What I mean is, if you had alone picked the maps, isn't just fair. There should be a wider opinion in things like this, but you got a point. I mean if it is one guy who picks them, that might as well be you. (And I never denied that). Also you might have the best 5on5 knowledge, I'm not denying that either :)
gambit said that jews killed Jesus, which is a historical fact. I don't see why he should get warning points for that. Ofc, he acted anything but mature after that, but I think he had a bit reason to be pissed off.
And finally, you have been pretty active admin lately, and on the other hand it's good, like producing content, taking part in community stuff like intel masters etc, and surely you have put a lot effort on it and that has lead in a good outcome as well. But it's just often when ppl got power, they start to think much of themselves and overuse that power. You should be careful that you don't go that road as well :)
I didn't know that was factual.
Anyway, back to reading your comment :D
frost was zP 's home map & the action there was epic.
cmon, frostbite is really good :\
Couldnt agree more toss
i may not appear too involved as im neither contributing but nor (especially this point) am i flaming, but that is, as sad as it sounds, too true :(
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Yea splitting up the community made it really active again...
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I haven't played braundorf in 5on5 yet, but I recon frostbite is great for 5on5.
And tosspot isn't saying clown didn't have to right to post a column about his opinion,
just that he doesn't tolerate outright attacks on a person.
The map pool and other rules of the event are decided by crossfire admins and should be respected otherwise there would by anarchy. Why do you believe you have to justify actions?
i agree with what Dezire said.
When you set up something, be prepared for critisism. Don't be all like "Omg, we give you stuff, we work hard, now eat everything we give you"
If I put a lot of effort in pushing a turd out of my ass and then stuff it in your face, you wouldn't happily accept it.
Ofcourse I appriciate the effort and the LAN and all the cups, but I still want to express my opinion and make suggestions so that my input can be put to some use.
ps: Nice writing an open reply to a column that doesn't exist.
I kinda agree with Spirea - it's not only the so called "Topplayers" who play the game, but also the rest of 98% communitypeople who play on a low+med level. They are the guys who watch the game. So I agree when he says there should be a bunch of people who know enough about the game (let it be a mixture of league-admins, known players etc) to decide the damn mappool.
The amount of idiots who are still mentioning how Krosan "made the map pool" after you saying "However, Krosan was not the person that picked that map pool."
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that only shows how fucking nerdy he is... wtf...
lmao