ClanBase Kicks 'Naughty' NationsCup
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9 Mar 2009, 12:28
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News
ClanBase like to cause controversy, and have a reputation for inconsistently applying their rules. Last night, the 
Croatian team was kicked from this seasons ClanBase NationsCup for fielding more than the allowed number of players from one individual clan. Whilst this rule is clear - could it's application have wider consequences for the competition as a whole?The rule states:
How did the events unfold?
jakazc mailed the ClanBase Chiefs saying that we used 4/5 players from the Cortana lineup, since we were active in last season, eventhough suvi, acozz and me didn't play EC. That would mean that any player that was on roster while the clan was active is considered as a player for that team, no matter if he played or not.Update:
Update 2:
What implications does this have? Well it turns out, a number of other teams are in a similar situation. Those that we know of being:
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Finland - 5 (olbaa,Rk,lepari,squall,Matias) from the lineup active in team defix that played actively in last season's OC 3v3
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Netherlands (tekoa,overboost,joop,hayaa) 4 from the lineup active in team dNan that played actively in last season's EC
Proof
Apologizes to
Latvia for putting them on the list, vinyl didn't play this year's NC and we didn't take that much care for Latvia since they were out of NC already. Once again,sorry.Back to you ClanBase!
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its about watching nice matches, not starting a nice flame
13:34 @frozz • with dnan
13:35 @mamut|Squall • but was in their profile
13:35 @mamut|Squall • so that is enough?
13:35 @mamut|Squall • :D
13:37 @frozz • yea
13:37 @frozz • thats why we got kicked
u have teh reason to be pissed
i hope everyone gets kicked!!!!!!!!!!
4 players of their lineup are playing for eSrael
so theres adifrence
I believe eSrael was created in a last few days/weeks.
and you were told that before few times and you still dont get it
whats your problem then
maybe sweden too?
weird accidents :XD
no offence, I'm just curious. U showed kinda lame attitude already in the game vs Chile or whatever and now this. Gives really a great image of your country :(
GL in playoffs.
and cheers for the gl, most likely we'll face NL over there :XD
sounds like kindergarten, sry
I suppose the main goal of this is to get CB to turn back the decision though.
lolZ.
although, it's kind of your own fault, you could have had drv4c play, he is better than suVi anyway
Suppose they suck balls though now haha
stupid rule in the first place really, i like to see clans made up of one nationality... but clanbase is really retarded so shit like this is expected
"Playing at the same time" - this season vinyl isnt playing for Latvia NC team, as you may see at your screenshot :)
Could u pls get us also phone numbers from all playerz? Would be nice, coz i would like to call tekoa !
Or wait....venyl, or vanyl, or smth check in gamestv.org's Latvia NC team lineup :)
so for finland, defix was active, it is a clan and there is 5 players from team finland in cb profile
though, those 5 players were not part of defix because squall = raab, matias = mitajan and olbaa = kkk, reikkeri = mitaajan, but the stupid point in all this shit is that because of that (=being in CB profile) croatia was kicked aswell
anyway, gg cb :D
So then every ''one nation clan'' could be also NC team?
Like
Cortana = team Croatia
RoyalBlood = team Portugal
The pin pals = team Spain
eSreal = team Israel
dispo = team Sweden
AND SO ON....
And what or where is then point to play against teams that they are playing together even in clan ? 6 players playing together in team (EC/OC) and also playing NC at same time... isnt that a little bit unfair? This is NC (NATIONS !!!) not clans cup....
read this zillion times if needed.
if it's a nationscup, then clans from one nation should play for their nation's team, that's pretty much all you need to care about. is there as ridiculous rule as this one in world cups of football, basketball, or basically any other team sport?
and now something on topic, what this news really is about - it's not about questioning the rule, but about making Clanbase follow the rules word for word for every nation which also broke them - and it should be done.
dunno whether it's to be considered 'active' or nor...
FAIL!!!
what does it mean now? will they get out of NC?
ClanBase, You suck seriously.
I am really sorry that happened to you Croatians because you performed really well, but if there is rule black on white, it should be respected.
mamut power.
this rule is so fuckin stupid on the nationscup case.
personaly i dont think you would get many national teams making them selfs into clans.
gays :S
Rules are simple and it's ridiculous that still there are people who are not able to comply with them. Are you an idiots or what ? It takes max 5 mins to check if everything is ok (according to rules) in your team.
omg omg kickban!!!1
think before you say something stupid again next time...
or next season you'll end up with hype playing at YOUR side^^
What bothers me about this case - once again - is that someone starts a whine topic against clanbase while they made the mistake. And I am 100% sure they knew what they were doin and just thought punishment wasn't possible cause some of their players didnt play last ec. Still they're a clan now. And to compare defix to that, lol...
The last time when this rule was modified was right after Hungary was disqualified and banned for two seasons in NationsCup VIII as I remember. In those days this rule wasn't as clear as now, because according to the old rules even onedaycup clans were considered as active clans. Luckily after pointing this out, the rule was modified and the disqualification and ban was removed, Hungary could continue.
It seemed for me too, that the new rules were correct. But I think this case points out that another clarification is needed. Just an example: now underscore is again an active clan. I played in the team 3 years ago, and I'm still a registered member of the clan. As I see according to the rules I'm a member of an active clan (underscore), though I had not played any game in the team for 3 years.
If you’re to ban a nation, you should at the very least explain why.
they couldnt have played more than 3 guys in 1 team , so they didnt its 3o3, and 3=3, not more
max 3 players from one clan. only includes players that played any official (cup, ladder whatever) with any lineup with that clan in the last 2 years.
this would mean more work for cb admins, or they could just make a system that forces you to fill in the lineup before you can confirm the scores. and they could make an automatic warning for players that were in violation of the rule.
but hey. cb is cb. dont give a fuck about the players as long as the site is getting hits.
This already exists
even being on the roster is to much already ...
If they do kick for this they srsly need to check on the rules.
you forgot about
I don't really get why people want other teams to get removed while what should be done is putting Croatia back in the cup. Also, the rule is completely retarded in the first place. National teams should be allowed to field the best lineup they have, otherwise the cup is pretty much pointless.
so true man
also that euro allstars competition could also be one clan a team, but thats not the point. for the best clan matches watch ec.
The way I see it, the only point of Nations Cup is to determine which country has the best players. How exactly can that be achieved by limiting the choice of the players? What will come next? The rule that forbids using more than 3 players with EC experience just because it would be unfair to countries who have worse players?
and agree with kot
yep,you are right :).
i actually agree the rule is shit as it is now. it has to change especially now that they have built in a lineup system for every cup/ladder...
reason I had to make an action is basically because i got forced to by the chiefs. i knew which player played with which team in the deadline. Frozz and suvi didn't play for cortana, tekoa never played for dnan...
It's your comp, you know the scene, you're on the firing line...
i have made clear however that i will not handle any nationscup after this again if they don't improve the rules... I don't like being nc sup to begin with. it's allot more work then any EC or OC because of crap like this... I only did it because there was none else avi... just as i did last season. I have never been an nc fan and probably never will be. i mean football world cup is so much simpler... have the nationality and play. It's not my responsibility to know full clanhistory of players... that's the captains job.
edit: i'm not making it look like it's not my fault here cuz large part of it is probably... it's just if the teams know the clanhistory better things like this also wouldn't happen... ofc the rule is the main factor in this...
WHAT TO DO WHAT TO DO
i say accept the pownage and move on!
ALSO 3 PLAYERS FROM EE ARE IN MAMUT.SI (al is backup in EE and inactive in mamut but care kick them anyways omg!!)
Kick everyone.
Team poland also has frag wiesiek, wiaderko, krisek and dvk3 in their lineup (k1ck) :D
I am appalled at the arrogance of the judge but also by Jakazc. I am quite sure he is not an expert in his own rules and even if he were, in a case of such great public importance to the scene, it is wise to listen to the views of the other side. Especially in this case, when such eminent counsel were available to assist him.
The judge could have invited some people to submit as an amicus curiae - in Latin it means ‘friend of the court’ and when the phrase is used in a court of law it means ‘one who advises the court(decisionmaker in this case) in a case’. I've seen it used quite a lot times here in Denmark and i really think that a guy like Bartichello can learn something from this.
Judges of far greater eminence than this guy have often asked other people of great experience for their valued views. Yet this judge thought he knew everything that he did not require any assistance from anyone else but himself.
I have always seen a guy like Jakazc as a guy that really wants to get one's own way even if it werent with good intentions. The fact that Jakazc hasn't been liked by most of the other ex-jugoslavian/balkanese guys can also have something to do with this.
I think I speak for most when I say that jakazc has always been arrongt/unfair more or less towards everyone with a skill belower himself. This action he made is such a dirty play that it really makes me laugh sometimes.
Just look, a team like croatia has almost always played NC and then this guy comes in and destroys it for them, and the most funniest part is that Jakazc normally dosen't EVEN play Nationscup prolly because hes too cool for it.
If i should give you an advice it would be "GET A GRIP".
most of your "look at me i'm studying law" rant is pure guessing without any base whatsoever and to top it off its irrelevant (cro played always and jaka usually didnt, so he is the bad guy?). i hope you're not thinking about becoming a lawyer.
cb is always making decisions without asking anyone and after they realize their decisions suck they just kinda crawl in their hole and wait for it to blow over.
you seem to have an issue with jakazc who merely pointed out the rule violation, while not demanding a forfeit or any punishment. its like saying the guy who witnessed a murder should be cast out of society because the killer thinks he is lame and arrogant. i mean look at him he called the police on me! how lame is that!
apart from the hate for jakazc what other opinion or solution do you have?
I never said that im studing law or anything concering it. For some its common sense for others its not. Thats it!
And your small girly talk about me having a small problem with jasazc is true but this is just my opinion. Just like you have your own!
so we took forfeit
NO DECIDER
idiot...
This rule has been there for god knows how long due to reasons that Euruz mentioned, and if the clans break the rules they should be punished.
People might whine at the swedes since we're all playing in disposable more or less (with some exceptions) but we've not been active in cb. Unfortunately for some other nationteams this doesn't apply to them.
It's sad to see some really good teams get kicked (if it happens)....but if we wouldn't have had rules, what would then have happened?
Obey the rules, ban plx.
EDIT: Of course this rule creates some limitations in forming really strong teams clanwise, if the players want to compete in NC. But why would people want that if there's more to achieve as a clan anyway?
every time same lineup's, same 1337 ppl and other shit...
But croatian...WHY WHINE NOW? Jakazc told you clearly that he will complain if you wont change lineup...Like you guys are the only one still playing ET in croatia. niggaz plz
i agree on that btw.
It seems that every team should have an admin in team and every player should read the rules twice a week which mean players should be all like admins, it's just pathetic. Eventhough in that case i doubt any admin saw this kind of thing coming.
In the good old times nobody gave a flying fuck about these kind of things, so they did something...and then...if a team already lost they should just admit that the other team was better, let it be, getting passed a groupstage like this won't make ur team more respected or better.
Ur in this cup to play good and be respected not to make ur country seem like a bunch of retards...
First of all nice e-drama, i didnt want to mail NC chiefs but since bartichello ignored me on irc and didnt want to talk about this at all ,there was no other chance.
Slovenia wanted to make ETQW team but they were not allowed to play since they had same problem as Croatia and some other teams, so if they arent allowed why can some other teams play then ?
I contacted admin (Bartichello) after i saw Crotian lineup vs Germany ( Even told him that i will whine if i see same lineup vs slo) , but he didnt react at all , basicly he ignored me:o). I even told to croatian chapz before we started that they have too many players, but they were just laughing :)) .
When i mailed NC chiefs i said that i dont want forfeit if NC supervisor quits but he didnt want to , so it was his decision that he will remove Croatia.
Rules are shit but hey you need to follow them , shit happens , i have nothing against Croatia or so , i would do exactly same if i would play in group B and saw Finland with more then 3 players .
Bibuy !
I am appalled at the arrogance of the judge but also by Jakazc. I am quite sure he is not an expert in his own rules and even if he were, in a case of such great public importance to the scene, it is wise to listen to the views of the other side. Especially in this case, when such eminent counsel were available to assist him.
The judge could have invited some people to submit as an amicus curiae - in Latin it means ‘friend of the court’ and when the phrase is used in a court of law it means ‘one who advises the court(decisionmaker in this case) in a case’. I've seen it used quite a lot times here in Denmark and i really think that a guy like Bartichello can learn something from this.
Judges of far greater eminence than this guy have often asked other people of great experience for their valued views. Yet this judge thought he knew everything that he did not require any assistance from anyone else but himself.
I have always seen a guy like Jakazc as a guy that really wants to get one's own way even if it werent with good intentions. The fact that Jakazc hasn't been liked by most of the other ex-jugoslavian/balkanese guys can also have something to do with this.
I think I speak for most when I say that jakazc has always been arrongt/unfair more or less towards everyone with a skill belower himself. This action he made is such a dirty play that it really makes me laugh sometimes.
Just look, a team like croatia has almost always played NC and then this guy comes in and destroys it for them, and the most funniest part is that Jakazc normally dosen't EVEN play Nationscup prolly because hes too cool for it.
If i should give you an advice it would be "GET A GRIP".
I got "tricked" many times by CB before and i never whined but i could. If they r putting yellow/red cards cuz we are not on CB channel on time ,then they should follow other rules also.
Some ppl are taking NC too much serious .
I dont care if CB screwed you & co but it dosen't fucking give him right to ruin it for others because they suffered the same problem once. Thats like the lamest thing to do!
So as it looks maybe you should shut up! thanks!
Once again.
made my day honestly !
We had the same problem when we wanted to add Hatred/keran who both were on the roster but had not played in a long time, still they were not allowed so we just used different players.
come on just have some fun :(
+1
made my day.
TADA
Nationscup, it means that one nation should present the 6 best players of their nation.
If they are also playing in their normal team together, why shouldnt they be allowed to play?
The main thing for me, is to get the best players together.
Bullshit srsly.
Back to topic, just follow the rules so there's nothing to whine about :p
players actually killing ET. they see me whinin', they hatin'
Edit. LOL @ Jak. Never thought some1 playing on such a high level would reach the bottom so quickly.
All 3 cases are ridiculous.
i see the point, i know that suvi wasnt active @ that time, i know that he didnt played any CB official, i can get that this CB decision about removing u from NC is shity, but i didnt ask u that.
Its simple question.
Why was suVi added to Cb and then removed 4 hours later?
Thats all what am i asking u.
"Participating in any ClanBase competition". Does this apply to the Clan or to the Player in question? The way it's written "Activity for clans" suggest it applies to the player, otherwise it should've read "Activity of a clan"
Oh well, the last line of the rule in question is "Exceptions may apply", but I guess that we'll never know when exceptions are applied or on what grounds/rules exceptions could be made to this rule.
It's a stupid rule tbh because if you take a big mixteam like tag or weekendmix or whatever which have tons of ppl on their roster and they play in one meaningless hosted cup, then you could never field any of those players again, yet they had nothing to do with the meaningless cup other people on that roster played.
This rule should be interpreted with the reason it was invented in the first place and that is to make sure that a nation doesn't field an entire clan that has been playing with eachother for years already. Say for instance years ago when Kreaturen was still around it was an all dutch clan. This rule would make sure that Team NL would not simply be Kreaturen.
So if CB is really going to nitpick like this, they have yet another stain on their ever so dirty blanket.
suVi was only in the team for a couple of hours
j/k
BTW. 3 clan members per team also sux. Imagine national teams(football e.g.) that are forbidden to use best players from some club because there is a rule they can use only 5 of them at the same time. In croatian handball, we have had a same coach for our best club and our national team. More than a half played in our national team.
Not to mention that croatia has 8 active et players playing on a decent(skilled) level. (Cortana+danl&drvac)
P.S <3 u tekoa
About cortana, I don't know and really I didn't take a stand there if it's right or wrong that u guys got excluded. But at least it's more likely that 3+ guys play simultaneously in a 6on6 team than 3on3, don't u think?
btw, shouldn't germany be excluded because of megaprogaming?
I dont know what i have to do with this, i just pointed out those retarded rules, its up to CB if they want to change it or not + if some admins would have balls they would quit their "jobs" and show their chiefs what they think about it.
And the rule should apply for current teams, not teams that were there years ago.
I know u only brought up the cortana/croatia case, but at least u think it should be widened concerning finland as well, that's why my whine towards u (and frozzen). I haven't really seen anyone else (except CB admins) think the same. At least u guys got guts to talk in here (whereas the CB admins are "afk" when matias tried to talk to them yesterday).
seriously, how stupid can you be
Try to realize yourself that a 3on3 team doesn't fulfill the requirements of this rule. The rule says the 3+ players shouldn't have teamplay advantage between each other over anyone else. Well in defix that's surely not possible because they never played at same time in defix. Also 3on3 is totally different thing than 6on6. It's like u would compare CS and ET. Also none of these guys played in defix' active roster in the time we are talking about.
hi frozzen btw, I expected u to make these stupidity accusation with your real acc. But apparently all u could was to make yourself look like a clown. A pity really, I used to respect u back in the day :(
what don't you fucking understand, clanbase chiefs DO NOT DISTINGUISH FORMATS OF A CERTAIN GAME THAT CLANS PLAY AS LONG AS THEY ARE CLANS, rule talks about ACTIVE CLANS AND PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER OF THOSE CLANS, players never need to play a single match as long as they are on the roster of the clan, god, it's like explaining it to a 3-year old
and you claiming me to be frozzen just helps me in calling you stupid
I'm not saying that CB should not ban them. I'm saying it's pretty childish to ban ppl for some game because same guys play another game.
And yes frozzen, pls don't act so grown-up, because u aren't the only one around here