3on3 NC announced!

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I am pleased to announce NationsCup 3on3 tournament. With 32 teams clashing against each other in the main tournament, we hope that this cup will bring a lot of entertainment and a vast amount of interesting and close games. This is the first 3on3 NationsCup since a long time therefore we hope for a plenty amount of signups and a lot of interest shown from players and community.


Cup formula
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32 teams will proceed to the groupstage after qualifiers. 8 groups with 4 teams each one, will be created. Best 2 will pass through and will create a double-elimination knock-out phase. In the Grand Final, a team coming from loser bracket needs to win twice to win the tournament.

Qualifiers
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There will be 18 qualifiers trees. Polish, Finnish, Belgian, Dutch, German, Estonian, French, British, America's, Italian, Spanish, Croatian, Hungarian, Swedish, Israeli, Czech Republic's, Rest of Europe's, Rest of World's. Each qualifier will consist of maximum 16 teams. If we receive less than 16 signups for a qualifier, some of the teams participating won't need to play the beginning matchweek(s). If we receive more than 16 signups for a qualifier, we will choose which teams we will invite to qualifiers. Qualifiers will take place in single-elimination formula.

From qualifiers: Rest of Europe's the best 3 teams will proceed to the groupstage.

From qualifiers: Polish, Finnish, Belgian, Dutch, German, Estonian, French, British, America's the best 2 teams will proceed to the groupstage.

From qualifiers: Italian, Spanish, Croatian, Hungarian, Swedish, Israeli, Czech Republic's, Rest of World's the best team will proceed to the groupstage.

The remaining 3 spots will be found from additional qualifiers:

3rd team from Polish qualifier - 3rd team from German qualifier
3rd team from Dutch qualifier - 3rd team from Belgian qualifier
3rd team from Finnish qualifier - 3rd team from Estonian qualifier

Rules in general
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  • You are supposed to have a document proving your nationality and show the scan of it if supervisors request for it. Supervisors have got the rights to ask for any other thing confirming your identity.
  • You are supposed to upload your SLAC guid at your clanbase account.
  • SLAC is a requirement - all players and referees are suppose to use it.
  • Teams are allowed to have max. 1 spectator on the server if opponent and referee agrees. Spectator should also use SLAC and should be wearing his team's tag and his CB nickname.
  • All captains/clanleaders of their teams are required to be on #nationscup.3on3 channel.


Creating teams
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You are supposed to create a clanbase account for your team with minimum 4 players and maximum 6 players. All players have to be from the same nationality.
You cannot pick a clanname related to a nation and the tournament (eg. names like Polska, Team-Finland are not allowed). After the qualifiers, teams that made it to the groupstage, will be asked to rename their account. (eg team that win Belgian qualifiers will be asked to rename clanname into Team-Belgium #1). Breaking this rule will result in excluding a team from the tournament.

Switching teams
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It is not allowed to play for another team in Qualifiers. It is not allowed to play for another team in the Groupstage and in playoffs. If a team is playing in the groupstage or in playoffs already, it is allowed to take maximum 1 player from the team that did not qualify for the main tournament (lost qualifiers).

Signups
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NationsCup 3on3 will take place as CB hosted tournament. You will be given details where to signup as soon as possible. Deadline for signups is till 30 Nov 23.59 CET. So please start creating your clanbase team's accounts, while you will be able to hit the signup button in next few days.

Schedule
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30 Nov End of the signups
2 Dec Announcement of Qualifier Trees

2-9 Dec 1st matchweek (1/8)
10-16 Dec 2nd matchweek (1/4)
17-23 Dec 3rd matchweek (1/2)
24 Dec - 6 Jan 4th matchweek (finals + match for 3rd place in some qualifiers)
7 Jan-13 Jan additional qualifiers
16 Jan groups announcement
17-23 Jan 1st groupmatch
24-30 Jan 2nd groupmatch
31 Jan-6 Feb 3rd groupmatch
7-13 Feb wildcard week
13 Feb Playoff tree announcement
14-20 Feb Upper Bracket 1
21-27 feb Upper Bracket 2 + Lower Bracket 1
28 Feb-6 Mar Lower Bracket 2
28 Feb-13 Mar Upper Bracket 3
7-13 Mar Lower Bracket 3
14-20 Mar Lower Bracket 4 + Upper Bracket Final
21-27 Mar Lower Bracket 5
28 Mar-3 Apr Lower Bracket Final
4-10 April Grand Final


Exceptions
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  • Qualifier for Rest of Europe might be extended to 32 teams if we got a massive amount of signups.
  • eujen will be allowed to play for Romania because of lack of players from Moldovia.


Mappool
  • sw_goldrush_te
  • supply
  • adlernest
  • frostbite
  • tba
  • tba


The remaining 2 maps will be announced soon.

Awards
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90 euros + gameserver for 3 months
60 euros + gameserver for 2 months
30 euros + gameserver for 1 month

Sponsors
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Belgium Nickje & Netherlands RaZe

Awards will be given from those guys. Prizepurse may be increased as we're having some negotiations at the moment.

Supervisors
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Poland Homer
Belgium Nickje


Referees
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Israel LION
Poland Robaciek


Contact
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#nationscup.3on3

If you got any questions, don't hesitate to drop a comment under this newspost or reach supervisors at given IRC channel. Good luck & have fun.
Comments
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erdenberg :))))
My retarded part wanna say :
Wow sick prize money! :XD

My other part would say :
Nice job!
should be nice
For those who didn't catch those country issues:
To America's qualifiers belong such countries like USA, Canada, Mexico, Chile, Brazil etc.
Rest of Europe =all of countries that does not have an own qualifier (eg. Latvia,Russia, Portugal, Norway, Slovakia, Iceland etc.)
Rest of the World = not mentioned in other groups (eg. Japan, Australia)
want an own Austria Quali :<
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Sorry, not worthy :<
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:o that was a stab in my heart.
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so why an own hung quali... 4 player activ = worth
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Sounds nice.
NetherlandsTeam NL.
Anonymouspds
Anonymousinfernal
AnonymousIronic
AnonymousSQuid
Anonymoustekoa
Anonymousperfo

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En wat doet pds daar?
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headshots schieten? :x
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En wat doet infernal , Ironic , pds daar?
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epic dutch fail, sup with ur hate towards us?
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Zucht, alweer een onwetende
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infernal wat vind jij nou van die mensen die zeggen dat wij te low zijn voor nc zullen we ze ff opzoeken..
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en dan, kopje thee drinken en ze helemaal de tyfus in slaan? :D Hahah plaspop :D
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jaman #gadooor balhaar
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en anders wat :~<
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Lol just lol.
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QuoteBronze some random cups nobody cares about


:)
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What's the point in quoting something on my profile?
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bringing back 6v6 ?
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Haha, as if perfo would play with PDS after he cheated hard vs him...
Oh, wait!
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which one cheated?
oh wait!
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daarvoor schaam ik me man :(
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Looks like "This is ET"...
perfo, tekoa...and ironic! :)
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wheres IceQ?
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I'm too imba! should give other ppl a chance too
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sQuid is shit, Ati_ ftw
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reaz virtu krest for germany plx.
because hes shit..?
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ur a fat turk, u have no rights to reply to me

added to ignore list
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you just got rolled.
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its just how I do mate <3
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bitte nicht
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Wo liegt dein Problem ? :-)
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ganz ehrlich kiwi, virtu spielt momentan besser als ich und somit auch wohl besser als du :')
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gr0ss dann halt dazu..
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Good Job Homer !
nice gl hf all
iceland gna win
Finally.
i will own
You should just put those moneys for finnish qualifier so all those finns wouldnt need to play 5 months for that cash :l
nice joke m8 :)
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QuoteYou cannot pick a clanname related to a nation and the tournament (eg. names like Polska, Team-Finland are not allowed)


How about Finland Suomi Finland Clan a.k.a current best clan in Finland? :(
no just no
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we are avi ofc :D
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Slovenia ?
From qualifiers: Rest of Europe's the best 3 teams will proceed to the groupstage. There is Slovenia.
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why are there cash prizes for this yet nothing for the real NC and useless mice for EC?
NC 5on5 and EC are organised & hosted by CB, this is organised by Homer and me and hosted by CB.
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ok. i thought this was official CB cup
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Hosted on CB, not by CB.
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yeah i already got it
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Hosted on CB, not by CB ;)
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soz for low english :(
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very good of you to put up such prizes, hope it goes well, good luck :)
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There should be a rule about the ip/country. Only players living at their own countries should be able to play. Few exceptions should be allowed for some former nc players (like naga or toxic, because we all know their are living outside their countries).

Also, you should limit the registrations per country.. Max 3 teams or something, or create some qualifier per country, where only the best 3 teams should be able to make it to the real qualifier...

I would suggest et_ice and delivery as the other 2 maps. They are kinda cool for 3v3..
QuoteOnly players living at their own countries should be able to play. Few exceptions should be allowed for some former nc players (like naga or toxic, because we all know their are living outside their countries).


No.

QuoteAlso, you should limit the registrations per country.. Max 3 teams or something, or create some qualifier per country, where only the best 3 teams should be able to make it to the real qualifier...


?? Either I didn't understand you or you didn't understand my newspost. Or both :D
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Well, i guess i didn't understand your newspost, but tomorrow i will try to figure it out when i signup team portugal.

About the 1st thing, well.. i remember CF 3V3 WorldCup and it's ridiculous to see some countries playing with 0 players residing at their own countries (ex: russia with all players living at germany... lol... like i said, exceptions could be created, but we are talking about a entire country.. you gonna tell me there isn't enough players living at their own country? same goes to those "weird countries" with only 1 player living there... recruting players at cf... what about loekino's love island? are they allowed? :DDD
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1. I don't care about where are they. If a player is a Russian (got Russian passport), he is allowed to play no matter where he lives.
2. Are you serious about LLI ?
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ofc i'm not serious about lli.. lol, but still i would reconsider. Trust me, there will be alot of players applying to captain without even live at the countries.. atleast the captain, no?! lul...
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add TC_base for sure. one of the 3o3 maps which really requires teamwork and some tactics for attack and defense
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Yeah camping medpacks as axis and pushing as allies just after axis spawn requires so much skill and tactics. Worst map ever.
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Haha, it would be so easy to win against you then
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why is it ridiculous? why would you care about such things?
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To prevent fake passports and other similar stuff, the opportunity should be given to legit players, living at their countries. I am sure EVERY country can atleast find 4 decent players living at their own country. If a country doesn't even have 4 players living there, well i wouldn't even consider them as a valid country...
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um yea sure we dont want fake passports, but noone is seriously going to create fake passports to play a 3v3 et cup, nigga please.

Besides you're whining about the Russian team having lots of people from Germany while i don't think anyone doubts those players actually have russian roots. It is a nationscup which is about nationality, not country of residence.
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um yea sure we dont want fake passports, but noone is seriously going to create fake passports to play a 3v3 et cup, nigga please.


rofl, ppl already tried before! You know how many ppl would like to play this nc!?

And i said it about Russia as a example, there is alot more. Don't take it serious, i wasn't mean to russians...
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..how would you know? anyway just require a pic/scan with a timestamp - gg
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+1 for the maps
frostbite out and b4 in?
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idd, i don't like frostbite at all, but it's definitely a 3v3 map. I would rather player b4 instead, but i don't mind playing frostbite either..
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sorry but that's simply stupid. just because a swedish footballplayer lives in germany, he should anyway be allowed to play for sweden :s
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avi as finnish best player
Gl, I have faith in you!
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Earth

Chile casek
Belgium Jonasty
Netherlands majesty
#team-ger.3on3 praccin hard
h3hh3h3, such dir andere, kresti silent gr0ss bumsen alle!
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*violy,wodka,kiwi
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nice :)
needs delivery, may be shit in 5on5 but it's really decent and one of the better maps in 3on3.

edit: ouh and braundorf ofc
ow pls... its nice map in 3o3 but still lean only... wolken and some rtcw map is needed
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gtfo with rtcw maps :(
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Such as Base, thats a great 3v3 map.
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+1 deli in its 3o3
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NO BASE IN MAPPOOL!?
Maybe yes, maybe no. As you can see, 2 maps are tba.
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Netherlands teKoa
Netherlands perfo
Netherlands (17:04:25) (@vowel`TF) confo isn't english!
(17:04:28) (@vowel`TF) he's dutch
(17:04:30) (@vowel`TF) kick!!!


Netherlands Azatej (rifle)
making on the confo shuffle all up in this nc
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Big thanks to Nickje and Homer for putting this together!
braundorf & ice in plox!
ok for ice but braundorf is shit :s
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its cool in 3on3, better than delivery or base i guess!
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beach would be better
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base is one of the best 3v3 maps going, scared of playing it maybe?
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nope, just a diff opinion!
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newschool doesnt know real 3o3. :D Base is one of the few 3o3 maps which really requeir some teamwork and tactics for both defense and offense.

Although you shouldnt have problem with teamwork, but you will lack good tactics on base in 3o3 for sure.
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yes, you really need awesome and ingenious tax for defense on base

camp on center plato -> profit

one of the most retarded maps around, worse than delivery
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then your attackers are really shit if you can do it like that
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bs, you can hold almost anyone like that if you have smart players and set up your crossfire right, from there you can watch both radars and all the roads
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you should have tried that agaisnt u96d back in the day then. Would loved to see your opinion then
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yes, let's compare now with how things were 5 years ago

5 years ago almost all current maps were played in a different way and in different style
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Well if you get a team which plays base like it should be played you wont hold them with your defense
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like it should be played? what

that defense holds anyone, it's the easiest and most retarded map on defense, you just need to camp one tiny part of the map to succeed
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You really need to realize that when you get a decent opponent who knows how easy it is to break your defense you will be in a lot of problem
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I agree with danL, it's pretty hard to break that defense. And u96d 5 years ago would be max med skill nowadays. Why don't u just tell use how u break that defense even in theory?
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Been a long time since I played 3o3 seriously. Luda had those ways, he had like over 20 tactics for every position the opponent could take and how to breach time. + Defensive positsions.

And they worked, we beat easily way more skilled teams than us on base, but got raped hard on other maps for example.
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I remember how much effort we put at some point to break highbot's (humm3l, fireball, z3r0) defense there but usually we just failed. I think we were able to break everybody else's def :P
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Have had my fair share on base as well :D. 3on3 used to be fun back then. Beach was awesome and ofc ice. Ice attacking was pain in the ass though
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I never liked beach much but ice is pretty decent map even still :)

it's just funny how I used to hate all the rtcw maps for ET back in the day but now I actually miss them :)
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But only in 3o3s. They are just awful in 6on6 and prolly in 5o5.
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yep, agree there :) but hey, I never play 5on5 or 6on6 anyway ^^
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if you have an opponent that knows how EASY it is to break it then we presume that you also know how they can break it right and how to prevent that? bit of logic wouldn't go amiss

if you have 2 equally skilled clans that defense holds
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Been away way too long to remember them and I didnt make those tactics. Read above
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remember who? don't get it
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remember those tactics
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that defence is easy to break if you have enough time to do it. Basic revive / slow rush / force enemies to waste ammo. Even split works usually. Trying to get 2on3 either by killing one or forcing one to kill / take ammo. Or getting one in full with kamikaze for short spawn yourself. That gives imho some advantage for second team attacking as first one to do it rarely tries anything that timetaking :P

Problem is that good teams know when they're getting weak so they just hold a new shield at radar and in that switch they also get ammo refill for atleast 1

Just some useless analyzing, in 2010 you can probably just rush in and kill all without difficulties :) no tax needed there anymore !
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there are a lot of ways to break it indeed, but considering that 2 relatively equal teams play against each other the defending team will know what to do, how to slow down the attack and make the allies waste time while you slowly recuperate and if you manage to get at least one dead and gibbed the allies lose a lot of precious time, especially if the attackers do not die and lose ammo while the axis are stocked at least three times as much as the alies

that's why I greatly dislike that map and find it one of the worst map in ET
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played it pretty often when we were very active in the 3on3 ladder :p
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egyptian players pm me
delivery and braundorf!
+ beach/base and ice
you forgot village !
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Quoteeujen will be allowed to play for Romania because of lack of players from Moldovia.


hahah nice mentioning him, gives him even more ego and e-fame :D

gl eujen with romania :D
He has pm-ed me few days ago after I made a journal about the cup.
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ye i know, im talking to him every day, even played with mister superbrain like 30mins ago :D

was just wandering that u mention a single player in this post :D
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He is an exception and all participants needs to be informed about it.
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and nations cup 5on5 ?
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Will be announced by CB :)
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Romania has more active et players outside the country than in the country lately :D (tbh i dont know even know 1 that plays et at a decent level atm )

eujen
faky
mili ?
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hes inactive for some time now.he made a comeback for last nc.who knows?maybe he'll play in this too
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so naga for team United Kingdom ,ye?
special delivery is a very suitable 3on3 map
3o3 is 2 ezi
team wales
you'd have sqzz and bird to carry !
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sqzz tyyrd owzo garin
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Oi, don't forget bird!!! He's the best!
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would be nice but .. activity ? :S
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letting some countries having more than 1 team would be really wrong if you dont let countries such as scotland, wales play. but maybe u already planned that dunno :P
Norway gonna pwn....
play with hex!
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easy bash Italy
ah, too bad, I'm gonna miss the qualifiers!
France emoReJ
France maxuh
France fra

(without ettv)
il est ou bibi ?
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Karnaj-Bruceh-Sinus!
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no karnaj? rofl :(
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on change pas une équipe qui gagne (/sarcasm on)
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Ah j'en étais sur ! (Mon sarcasme était déjà en route :D)
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nice :)
looks good :)

ice and braun for last maps
et_ice and wolken_b(the newest version of the map?) would be c00l maps for last 2 maps
braundorf in, not sure about last map, not a fan of ice
Poland buzka
Poland fixxxer
Poland hunter
Poland kot

+ Poland me

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dobrze ze elvisa nie wymieniles bo bym zszedl ze smiechu...

ale team dobry, nie ukrywam..
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mowisz o et :XD?
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dobry zarcik :P

only [T]
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what was that 3o3 team called again with aza in it?
i dont wear glasses unlike you!
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I dont wear glasses :-(

Going to bed, work tomorrow :xxxx
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dont think so
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Queens, DMD
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ovrboost was in that team to?
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dacht van wel
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midas
dongo
pedro
polak cannot speak english
tc_base & et_beach as the last 2 maps.. 8)
hf playing against tekoa aza perfo or olbaa squall lepari or some shit like that
Poland & Israel as refs


this shall be fun :D
so whats about sealand?
I just dont get Homer (no offense) he took admins which arent able to play on med level in 3on3, if i recall right u were looking admins who got some kind of idea about who are the best 3on3 players around (?)

Anyway, nice to see great 3v3 cup coming, hope it doesnt die in the middle of the season.
as I recall it he listed the requirements and said it would be nice to be highskilled 3on3 player. Possibly the guys that said they are avi are total mongols, while Homer is sure about admin skills of the refs he picked :)


well actually I just spammed him to death ":D"
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Yea well, just dont fuck this up.
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enjoy hardest possible quali ever mr. Webe <3
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I wont even bother trying to play, i dont have time for ET atm and im not in Finland for almost the whole month in December
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was fun bashing you earlier today.
next time watch your mouth before saying crap.
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avi for any team, pm me ! :D
lyomaton avi for Fintards !
Estonia ayuasgxhiuagz Will be there !
Chinabbqs
Chinafirzen
Chinatba

Malaysiaacid
Malaysiaahkit
Malaysiatba

Philippinesmiksz
Philippinestba
Philippinestba

Japankirark
JapanPROllstone
Japanvienna

I want that team jp in!
Why not just play with firzen and bbqs? I'll be back-up. :{D
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gotta have chinese ip...but bbqs at USA atm...mm dunno.
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Just talk to the admins, I'm sure they'll understand.
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>> If that is the case, imo acid will play with bbqs and firzen and ill back up (: Got exams ugh
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and you :3 <3 XD
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like the idea.
I'm avi if someone needs a third
pretty sure none of asian team can get through the groupstage. hf euros
never give up!
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I didnt. I'm ready to pwn as soon as I'm free from army
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Korea, Republic of ReMinD
Korea, Republic of ReMinD
Korea, Republic of ReMinD
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Hungary adze
Hungary Nonix
Hungary BoRi
Hungary sebi
Hungary varadi
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not rly, and btw that was our first time to play 3on3 together :)
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im 20 and whats this
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How is your nick to be pronounced ??
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Haha of course, sorry for missing the obvious xD
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anim, monkey and rockstar to bring the pain
Ready to pown
Als je geluk hebt mag je heel misschien een tryout bij mijn team doen.

Trialtag voor pub -> KOMTDIEtrialSJOERD
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Afblijven jij!
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FinlandsQUALL, FinlandOLBAAAA, FinlandMatias
Netherlandsperfo, NetherlandsteKoa, Netherlandshayaa
BelgiummAus, Belgiumlio, BelgiumuNDEAd
Germanybutchji, Germanydrago, Germanykrest
Canadaanim, CanadarockstAr, Canadamonkey
United Kingdomsqzz, United Kingdomjinosta, United Kingdomrazz
SpainWinghaven, Spainmagico, Spaingengis
EstoniaAnderson, EstoniaFreEze, EstoniaJyrkz
Polanddialer, Polandwiaderko, PolandFrag'Stealer
Francekarnaj, Francemaxuh, Franceemorej


:<
agree with jyrkz
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mant just mad that he isn´t in his lineup :(
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Belgium zeto Belgium Jetro Belgium Redox :dD/d:DP/pF/fdhg:dg:
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dont think team pl u predicted will be able to pass polish qualis and dont think that they care about 3o3 propably same with fin,be,de and uk
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would be the best Belgium LU, but doubt it will happen
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there are better players than freeze
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fr = karnaj okko + 3rd
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forgot me :(
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Norway Eirik
Norway Zodiac
Norway Domi
Domi?? nigga plz, kid gets mad whenever he gets demolished by Scarzy.
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Since when does that have ANYTHING to do me playing for some country? Never, I just hate it when low people suddenly can aim =)))
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low people can suddenly aim? Scarzy has been a better player than you ever since I can remember. Your ego needs to decrease a bit.

but my point really was that you're too shit to play for team Norway.
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Quotebut my point really was that you're too shit to play for team Norway.
I hope that youre joking there :DDDDDD

"Since i remember" must be since this year then =)))
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Scarzy's been playing with skk since forever pwning kids, before, during and after lan...sorry :(
Just cause you never heard of him doesnt make him some new school player ;)
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Never heard of him... god? You really that dumb?
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Looks like you're talking yourself into a corner? You claim he was low quite recently, so either you dont know him or you're just talking out of your ass.
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I know the guy for atleast 4 years, I never found him "special" until now.
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maybe he didnt get better, but you got worse ;)
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No Hex no win :<
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sorry, its gonna be be Norway moldu, Norway klovn and Norway Martinius ! norwegian greatest 3on3 team since ever and forever!
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No problem, u just make team and we will have a tournament in Norway :D
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Norway klovn said he didn't want to humiliate you guys, so you can have it :)
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nah, anderson, freeze & mant !
Poland gnajda
Poland Radziu
Poland dummy
Brazil abs1
Brazil felipeee
Brazil PHOTOSYNTHESIS
* sw_goldrush_te (best map)
* supply (nb/gd map)
* adlernest (gd map)
* frostbite (nb map)
* sp_delivery (annoying but playable)
* braundorf_b4 (more annoying but more playable)
* et_ice (ok map but hate those long walks to go from one place to another)
* et_beach (ok but annoying with snipers & mg = cancer)
* et_ufo (ok, but can be annoying at times)
* te_escape2 (ok, but nobody will want to prac/play it)
* tc_base (ok, but dead, as annoying as braundorf when defending the objectives)
te_escape2 should be given a new chance for 3v3 imo

and ice is the best 3 v3 map !
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ice is also shit

come to think of it, all rtcw maps are mostly horrible

base is a one-spot-camp map with too long to get to obj
beach sux with mg and you can also spend 90% of the map camping at one spot
ice too long to get to obj again and you can also spend 90% of the map camping at one spot
frostbite you can get to final obj without doing any of the previous ones and you can also spend 90% of the map camping at one spot
escape and ufo are not that bad as the other maps actually
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your 90% argument applies to nearly every map including grush, adler, supply and deli
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not true, on supply or gold if you lose 1st stage there's at least 2 more, adler(and even shitty delivery) is not that different from rtcw maps regarding the camp BUT coming to obj is shorter AND axis have a greater chance of securing the obj
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what? there are more stages at ice, frost and so on. but you are right concerning the long way of the most maps.
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eh? on ice you take the flag and you go directly for the docs, you don't even have to take the flag to be able to get docs
on frostbite, you build cp and go for the docs and you also don't have to do any previous obj to be able to get to the docs
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ah ok you mean you have to do an objective to get to the next stage. I thought you mean there wasn't more than one stage on this map. ok then youre right.
but nevertheless I prefer the maps you don't like ;)
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its funny to see how u pretend to know some things when it comes to 3o3...
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yeah, it's not like I practically played 3on3 only for like 2 years right

go play rtcw
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u played it for 2 years, and ur still shit... great success
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you played rtcw and et and you managed to be shit in both despite ages of playing and all your knowledge

besides, you've never won vs me which makes you...?
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im not shit, just dont take the game seriously :-)
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yeah, all of us take the game seriously, it's a matter of life and death

...
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He's not shit, his team is. =)
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I've played against him in like 4 different teams, never noticed that the team handicapped him more than he already was ;)
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He pretty much just played for enhanced the past 4 years or so, with a short trip to beavers (?) for like a month...must've been all mixes ;)
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te_escape2 is probably one of the best 3v3 maps ever
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do not like these maps with spawntime 35/25/15/whatever :o
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Like a year ago i had the same opinion, but now i dissagree.
just use a spawntimer ;) so easy and handy.
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Stalingrad :))
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the coolest jaymod map
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New word : annoying? =D
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switzerland? :D
Hungary Logic
Hungary menaxe
Hungary random

>

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Netherlands Morf
Netherlands Joshua
Netherlands 0V!E

JAWEL
i miss morf :<
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Im just waiting for the delicious tears of each country's 3on3-heroes because they didnt get picked up for their team :P
hows that even possible?
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everyone can play for his country :)
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fuck frosbite really, rather play base, radar and braun
b4&deli in!
radar is awesome 3on3 map, should be played here imho
radar is horrible as fuck in 3on3, it's not optimized and not balanced for 3on3 gameplay and shouldn't be used

I remember playing radar 2 years in a row in some cup and it was disastrous
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might be true, maybe I'm just not enough experienced to share your opinion or I just have other opinion based on other point of view from my previous experiences

I remember playing it in a one day cup or something like that less than 1 year ago, was pretty nice for me. It wasn't on a decent level, though and I didn't play it too many times after...
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agree with many others, why not radar in 3on3, it's the best map in ET anyway :)
crap :D
Poland RENOK
Poland ZABA
Poland GRZESIEK
BelgiumPiegie BelgiumA1R Belgiumapplejuice
Belgium Worm
Belgium spiROZE
Belgium Jere

now fuck off, noobs!
at least it's clean :D
GL
Say to spiROZE that I'm avi <3
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#LOTTE Anonymous- Gamer Country

Anonymous $u$umu
Anonymous nEEdle
Anonymous klApP
modus
spho
Jay

=


win
No no just no
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take LavOd instead of spho ( no offense to spho though )..? =))
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italian team will be noob as always
Needs some Clover :)
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:D havent play ET for 2 years but me > all itas still
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lol? oh well..ure unfortunately right..
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well i saw in team italy players that me merlin and crmbs bashed hard in a old opencup :s
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if ure italian we may speak italian wouldnt we?

anyway im not surprised, italian players atm arent really pro :P ive been playing with them for a while (they are way better than me but still.. :D)
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ah ma sei ita

ma gli ita son nabbi in tutti i giochi, io sono l'unico pro esistente in italia :D (C&C)
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lol che modestia
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:D

visita il mio canale youtube e vedi un pò di finali :p
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io ultimamente sto giocando con eli, opinelz, conex, val, e sir..gli extreme soldiers insomma.sono bravini ma niente di eccezionale.però ci divertiamo parecchio ^^

p.s. qual'è il tuo acc youtube?
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ah ecco gli e$ erano, belli niubboni imo :p vinto 4-0 senza fare una singola pracc e giocando et una volta al mese xD

youtube chan: http://www.youtube.com/user/davidecloverfield
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youtube hit whore :D
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step aside, this is a private conversation Mr.admin
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u are very welcome to visit my youtube chan too :p
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elihbk mi pare fosse nell'ultima nazionale ET, e altri che neanche ricordo più i nomi
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vabbe allo stato finale quando non cera gia piu nessuno
eli = low niente di nuovo :c
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ma è scandaloso che chiamassero eli -.- cioè meglio un ETplayer random da qualche pub
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AnonymousScarzy
AnonymousLoekino
AnonymousBanaan
Tier 1:
Finland Finland, Poland Poland, Germany Germany, Belgium Belgium Netherlands The Netherlands and Estonia Estonia could form like five different squads which could compete well against anyone in this tournament, I am looking forward the final three who will represent these Nations...

I hope cheaters will not take over .ee team :)

Tier 2:
United Kingdom UK will have a good squad aswell, I expect them to reach 5th place, or something. Portugal Portugal (setup, mAv, ?) and Spain Spain (Radifz & co) could perform well aswell, but in my opinnion Nations I mentioned above will be stronger then them.

Sweden Sweden could easily form a bashing team, worth Gold! Just keep j0NAS in a cage and replace him with a guy shoots less Headshot than 300 during a 3 minutes war... I wll inform him when we have a Nationscup for Jedi's like Bozar and him. Switzerland Switzerland has talented players, but I doubt they will put as much into this as they need for achiving what they worth. (same with Austria Austria)

Tier 3:
I don't give a f*ck about France France. There are some nice players like France StrAf, but they will not find three Insane Aimer, and form a team with them which can focus on objective and Win. I mean not clean ones.

Tier 4:
Then there are some countries which exist in Real Life and Enemy-Territory aswell, but I don't expec them to do anything big, but that could be fortunate for them I am not an oracle...

a)
Slovakia Slovakia, Czech Republic Czech, Turkey Turkey, Iran, Ireland, Ukraine Ukraine, Russia Russia: I don't think these nations ever had 10 superb player at a time, won't think about current standings.

b)
Slovenia Slovenia, Hungary Hungary, Italy Italy are dead communities. I wish Italians could get three legends together like Italy dAnOnE , but based on things I heard about their community I don't expect much... I don't know much about .sl, hope they will represent themselves.

Hungary Hungarians will represent the country, but without a good leader, who owns great respect and real knowledge of leadership that squad won't get more than a Wooden Trophy, though it seems like they won't be sad, more like they are collecting those thingies... ;)

Some imagine they have talent, some dosen't have the head to use it.
Hail: Cs4f1, Logic, inf3rno, Tu(v)lok

Tier 5:
I hope Japan Japan and other lagger countries will "****" away from this championship, only country I would let play is Canada Canada!
FrancephAcks INSANE GUYS UKNOW? GOOD TRACKING AND SCANNING. ALSO LIKE THEIR IRONIC SARCASTIC PARODIX TEAM NAME!


for slovakia 1 word= sereall
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why do you whine ?
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whine?:PPPPPPPPPPPPP
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You've understood the true meaning of our tag, n1 !
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sereall is from slovenia.. not from slovakia :D
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why are you hating at Japan?? :S:S:S:S
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They are overrated in my opinnion, their celebrities Miruku and Kirak carrying them, though on a server with normal ping (max 100) they wouldn't do. I played against Japan in 12th NC, fragmovies made them stars, they don't have any secret, supertalent, their weapon is lag, because most of good EU player aren't used to played with 300-700 ping.

I like Japan, going to visit the country once... maybe next year? but hate playing against them on Internet.
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I've played vs team japan and been demolished by them. Hard.
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I gotta say you've got a point but even lag is not their weapon. not only you but most of european think high ping is kind of advantage but It's definitely not. asians, include me, can play even better if we get normal ping. It's not a matter of opinion.
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If I would care with ET, competition as much as I did I would say: I would challange any asian team for war, without no fear of losing. Seriosly we could even won that match with team-hun back then if we had normal ping. Anyway if it was a shit nc team
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Vienna and RollStone are the kings of team japan, bow down now or be destroyed.
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incorrect. situations reversed, and they would be even better.
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nice whine bro, you better stfu instead of talking shit
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hf gl to okkoTamasuki, Nirv & co
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LuL please, we don't even know who is about to play this NC... I was told that the current line up is karnaj - okko - Rizzle, yes it will be a fucking fail eventhough Rizzle is decent but inactive :') , everyone knows it...
But what i meant is that we have a lot of nice players in France but they don't want to play this NC due of the less of motivation :D).
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who are the cheaters from .ee ?
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Don't listen to him, he's an idiot.
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You mad because everybody hates you in Hungary and you don't have any mates to play with? :DDDDD
mad is mad :D
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I know about 400 people closer than a familiar community member, it isn't difficult to make relationships for me, I have many friends, live a nice life with good family, sport, girlfriends, school, etc. That isn't really important for me to have good relationship (on internet) with some kids, or older people living 100-150 km's away, cheating, rude and their sense of humour is equal to a snail's...

You must be crazy if you think ET has such important effect on me!
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Yes that's why you are playing for 6 years and always wanted a serious clan, you got the point there ;)
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It was important, true and I wanted to attend LAN's also, that time all these things were exciting. Things changed.
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That's why I saw "I am cless" text in your profile about 2 weeks ago. How many times can you fail in a row?
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I am avi two or three times a week, that could be still solved, but I am not going to run home for a clanpracc if I stuck in a pub after uni. hope you get it

bb
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I just don't fill in that, SO CALLED community. I am not dumb, don't like 100 wars losing sprees, excheater people trying to be funny, people who don't belive in 3hs and choose to play like its hide and seek... Think I didn't disturb you and your friends, you should get lost aswell, please.

Enjoy 3on3 NC, though I don't expect more than a weak groupstage performance I will be the first who gz's Hungary if it achives better.

Karrde
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You ALWAYS wanted to fit into the community, making cups and WANTED(but always failed as expected) to make lans. You even played with us back and wanted to play with Team-Hungary. You didn't fit because you are DUMB, jealous and you got your high ego.
And calling yourself "not dumb" is so fucking funny :) You were always so fucking dumb to play this game on a decent level. I even remember for the things you said on et.hu, a bounch of SENSELESS sentences, and you called that's arguing or opinion.
You lie more than a jew does.
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99% I wrote on hun site were bs, 1% were comments I didn't post. I agree most of them were sensless shit, though half of the time I was flaming cheaters, hated people or just random flame-discussion with you and your friends,

I made tournaments, because it was good opportunity to get known to people, make friendships, proove yourself. Think it was succesfull, because only few people couldn't have fun (mostly the losers ) and I always got to know some new people, even $ectoR greet me on a LAN later.

I played in Team-Hungary, because that trash kicked the one of the best .hu player ever, I writing about LOGIC. I replaced him. You can blame me because of the clan's undescribeable shit performance, but thats just not true, same with underscore, I was serious, exact and motivated, put'ed everything into it and tried to whine less.

I was mad only that time when You gave the command to go inside a base, or rush and half of the team, but atleast powi&ocelot never did.

?bb
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I am not blaming you because of the clan's bad performance. Eventho when u were replacing me in underscore (when I didn't have internet) and I was about to get back the other said we perform better.
I am telling you that you are not as good as you think. The fact will never change that hungarian players can't work together, still not blaming anyone because of the clan's performance.
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I ve never said anything like I am a superb player, you are confused because of the basic Ventrilo sounds of Hungarian channels. "I am so skilled, I pwn, I am high", etc. don't mix my name with haZe, and the other clowns, please...

I am a good player, but have to hear the voice of a leader in the team otherwise I don't focus, thats my only problem. Respected players said I can compete against anyone in this scene, not gonna name anyone or give jpg, because I never make and I am not a wannabe to post egoquotes...

Hungarian teams need you, underscore and the national team aswell, you ve been a trash (lolcantprove) cheater, but became a good player, thats a fact, anyway if your personality a little bit irritating. BUT I wasen't the right player to remove from underscore back then, to make an empty place for you.

Unimportant stuff's, live for today, at the moment I am not able to take point there in a better way. :)

bb
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danone is far from beeing a legend.
the only thing legendary about danone were his hilarious stories about why he didnt show up at the xfire lans :)
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dAnOnE is a legend, thats a fact! Better think about how to make xety Italian, so I can make another n1ce player .it legend
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FrancesMiRZz + 2 good medics. And NC for us frogs
we sweden will win this again, np really !!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if i wont be able to play ^^
i vilken vent/ts brukar ni hänga?
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tror inte det, ba inte umgåtts mycket med svennarna de senaste åren ;)

team sweden 2008 va sista gången, sen dess har jag ba snackat med alexl
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ah ok =] #envious om du vill lira nån gång! brukar va jag vktr och Millan som är svenskar där
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sure, men se till att hålla #et.se vid liv
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jag idlar alltid ET.se :)!
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avi for uk
looking forward to see Austria best 3on3 players
best choise :
Austriabeasty
Austriapotter
Austriascorch
Austriajan
Austriaday
jan
scorch
day

np
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beasty and bl1zzardx and they will have a chance against some teams atleast, although blizz's aim got .. worse last time due to him being inactive :P [or quit..]
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havent seen blizzard for a while now :(
think last time was NC 5on5
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heard of

Switzerland

Rapt6rr
Aq
gifty
Denmark
bamze
fisken
fryzer

dum dum dum??
Malta maybe?

MaltaToxic
MaltaKillerboy
MaltaRaven

Dunno :D
no... just... no
im eligible to play for the uk, but there are better active players out there than me
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are you born as uk citizen or do u just get uk citizenship that fast there?
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dual passport - english & maltese
dont wanna play this anyway :D
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did u have it always or how did u get it that fast?
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applied for it while i was in the uk as ive got english family
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I bet without uk family u wouldn't get it any soon :p
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definetely not :D
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Could be, in Norway you have to live here for 5 or 7 years first.
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you should try Belgium :), fastest ever
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Quote better active players out there than me


Which are maltese?
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no i was saying for the uk
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Well seriously, Malta didn't play in a NC since 2006? 2005? I don't know, So how about just get a 3 players from Malta and have a bit of fun, Not asking much just to play a bit of NC here and there :)
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ive not played proper actively & competitive in years, the last time i was 100% was 2008.
i dont play clanned now, just every now and again, ive got different and right priorities now so i won't be playing competitively till at least another lan gets announced. at this moment in time ive got too much on my plate to handle so nc isnt even close to that list
ur can always play it urself, kb and someone else... have fun
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you always were fucking awful at 3on3 anyway. sall cool, me and mav carrying away
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you're a bitch... period! x
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poor italy.
No polish teams ?
braundorf + delivery +( base) IN

gtfo with frost
unfortunately the only real good maps for 3on3 are goldrush, supply & adler. So if you're gonna try to have a mappool of 6, I'd say avoid beach, et_base and delivery.

braundorf and frostbite are definitely not very good maps but they're better than the maps mentioned above.. perhaps go for a 'new' map, something with a lot of stages. If there are any good ones out there that is, ufo seemed pretty bad.
Have you seen Stalingrad maybe?
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for some reason I had it in my etmain folder, jumped around on it a bit. Seems interesting :o
perhaps a bit large, a lot of routes to take it seems like but it's nice with a lot of open space, unlike delivery it favours good aiming and movement which is a lot what 3on3 is about.

document carrying maps are good for the viewers but there shouldn't be too many of them in the mappool imo. I wouldn't mind trying out stalingrad. Could end up being horrible but I honestly rather have that happen than playing delivery or smth :p

what I don't like about the map is the goddamn fog though!
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''Unfortunately''

You can say that again :p
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there are real good maps e.g. te_escape2, maybe HoG_b12, but the noobs dont want to try anything new out..
delivery is also good map, it's just if people cant play it it becomes irritating. just like supply would if people couldnt play it :d braundorf is great also

"delivery needs no aim nor movement" EXPLAIN??
thats all you need in delivery plus good calls what to do :l
when in supply you dont need to aim well at all to win
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all maps require movement and aim to some extent, the reason why I don't think delivery is a very good map is because of it's tight spaces and lack of terrain. It requires a minimal amount of tracking imo and awards camping.

I mean if they choose it for the mappool it's fine, it's a widely played map and It's not completly luckbased or anything, it's just an overall boring map to play. I've played it in a bunch of tourneys already, I just think there should be better options.

Like I said, braundorf is not AS boring, and there's also the option to try out some 'new' maps. I agree with you that people are too lazy to try something new, including me :D
but if you put it in a tournament like this one people will be forced to play it.
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i disagree :) hallways everywhere are one issue but i think it still requires great aiming from attacking esp. and also from defending side. ofc you hardly ever see q3_lg-like tracking but imo it's one of the best maps for aimers. players like mAus can easily take the potm-role in delivery! if good aiming = good tracking, which it roughly does, i'd hate to play delivery, it would feel impossible if i was outaimed all the time. there's myth of these insta 3hs, i'm not sure if youre talking about it there, but i think it's easy to avoid such and even an advantage if enemy tries to do such by leaning a lot. prediction crouch and shoot, or nading :) to sum it up: for me, aim has been always the key element in delivery. and what ive seen, it's a major factor for other players too

it's also close combat all the time, only the first stage offer a bit more space and terrain.. means you can't do that kind of damagewhoring from distance and the whole map is facility -like but is that necessarily bad? of course some people like outdoor maps which offer different terrain whereas delivery is simple and monotonic, it comes to the matter of opinion. atleast delivery is different and that's one feature i like! there isnt too much variables in ET is there? :P

again i have to disagree with you with "awards camping" :( im an aggressive type of player but once i started playing deli in 3on3 i might have started off with a campy playing style. i might have pulled off some duels but it absolutely wasnt an effective way to defend the button. nades played keyrole in such defense because the reviveshield is kinda effective on the doorways. it just didnt work out at all, the camping. then, i played the map for dozens of hours and learned that aggressive defense at the office is absolutely the best, pushing out a lot.. every once in a while there's a spawn when you need to go to the controls but its absolutely the last resort and never feels comfortable :D tldr passive defense fails, aggressive is kind of defense that works out. although i dont know if there are some nade-heroes who pull of the passive camp :L

all this is about 3v3, deli is shit in 5v5 what ive played i wont talk about 5v5

it's an opinion if it's boring or not cant help it but i consider that as a funny aimer's map with a lot of teamplay :) i even might prefer it over overplayed maps because of the change it offers.. one reason behind my love towards might be that ive played that so much so im rather good at it >_> probably if everybody practiced it as much as ive they would like it much more, too!

if youre into 3on3, try te_escape2, for real.
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I should like delivery since it's a close combat map, I'm lousy at long range aiming, but I just don't like it.. and I don't know many people who do like it either :p

might be talking out of my ass when I'm saying it doesn't require a lot of aim, it's just not as fun as maps like supply and goldrush where there's a larger variety in terrain and objectives.. delivery is a bit too straightforward and dull imo :p

but at the end of the day it's a matter of own personal preference, I just don't enjoy playing delivery as much as other maps.. but i'm sure there are quite a bit of people who do.
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yeah tru it's a matter of opinion :) i dont know if it makes the map bad that people dislike playing it, because it differs from these ordinary supply&gr -like maps quite a bit.. you could try playing cyber 24/7 deli for two weeks and a couple of 3on3 pracs and see if you like the map more!

afterall, ive noticed that quite a few players have started hating supply too! time for new maps hopefully :)
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Quotesupply would if people couldnt play it


99% of the players cant play supply correctly tbh.

in delivery 3on3 you gotta selfkill for ammo etc. spawntimes are in a very big rool, also a lucky nade can win the game for you. also don't need so much aiming if you lean behind a wall with full stamina. that is pretty much why it doesn't require so much skill.
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99% of players can't play ET :p what i meant is that in delivery there might be a great difference in the map knowledge between two teams equally skilled. whereas in supply everybody knows the map and ;roughly how to play it (atleast defend which is easy, hardly anybody knows how to attack, often results 1-1)

Quotein delivery 3on3 you gotta selfkill for ammo etc. spawntimes are in a very big rool, also a lucky nade can win the game for you. also don't need so much aiming if you lean behind a wall with full stamina. that is pretty much why it doesn't require so much skill


yea you need to spare ammo or push out and kill, spawntimes are in a role but supply 1st stage is affected by spawntimes pretty much too. nades are one but then it needs a bit thinking and predicting to dodge those and that's what a skilled player does aye? and the nades are one reason to have rather aggro defense than passive. if the opponent defends passively leaning and camping it's the easiest to the attacking team. it's a lot harder if theyre on the move all the time. especially attacking vs good team needs quite a bit of aim and teamplay.. you won't win if you don't have both brain and aim if the opponent is even a bit decent :)
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you don't really need much brain in that map to be fucking honest. and teamplay? please, that map has nothing to do with teamplay, anyone can revive in a door way.

lower skilled teams want to play this map because of this, you don't really need deeper thoughts in delivery. just basic ET, shoot.. don't take full and revive

this is just my opinion of all years I played ET, and don't tell me I didn't play delivery enough, yes I did.. since it was for like 3 lans in a row.
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i wonder if youre talking about 3v3 or 5v5
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I'm talking about both. but yeah it's better in 3on3 than in 5on5.
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5on5 experience in deli has nothing to do with 3on3 deli, i dont have a foggiest idea how much 3on3 deliverys youve played
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QuoteNickje & RaZe

Awards will be given from those guys. Prizepurse may be increased as we're having some negotiations at the moment.


RaZe doesn't seem to be the most honest player around, so you may or may not get the prizes.
People will get their prizes ;)
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6on6 or 5on5 nc but not this shit.
both is ok too :)
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too much ego boost for some people xD
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Great :). More countries will be able to deliver some good teams since you need only 3 players. Looking forward to spectate some decent matches. :)
less Robaciek pls cancer polak
More usefull than you.
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more whine then me
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Denmark gyzr
Denmark adi
Denmark Hein

bumbumbum
FiREBALL will be asked to provide his German passport, you can already tell him to do so.
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Will do so but still: Everyone knows he lives in Germany...
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I don't care where he lives. I care about his German passport because it is what I'm looking for. I know plenty of players who live in other countries but doesn't have that country's passport.
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does every player have to send u a picture of their passport, cuz i mean i never claimed to be anything else then canadian...
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Only those I will request. I'm pretty sure you're Canadian and I don't think I will ask you to do so.

This case is about FiREBALL from Turkey, who lives in Germany. So if he wants to play for DE, he must show me his passport because I think my doubts have some base.
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10 day left for the hypothetical signup and no news yet.
Don't be worried :)
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6 day left

image: panic
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Seems like you missed something ;)
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you r damn right.

my apologies :(
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Np, I hope you'll get some people to play with there :)
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ROBACIEK?:D
is there a link where u can see who already signed up?
cant find it :o
So, when and where do we sign up?
So, when and where do we sign up?
need 2 Be skilled, 3o3 nC :)
France

an7ho

emoReJ

kartez
CanadarockstAr
Canadaanim
Canadarossko

Canadaf4uxx
why u post here :D?
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why does everyone else? :D
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check the new post , thats where everyone post it
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thanks chief!
Any Morroco Moroccan volunteer ? :D
Salaneuvos Jewe & Sebastian can't lose so np
http://clanbase.ggl.com/claninfo.php?cid=2018457 + flamma is accepting the invitation, very soon!
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