eSports

The Full Tilt Poker Challenge

by Sainted • 16 Nov 2010, 19:41 • News

Heaven Media, our parent company, have today announced the Full Tilt Poker Challenge events taking place in the coming months on Esports Heaven.

The four tournaments will cover Counter-Strike: Source (128 teams), Call of Duty 4 (128 teams), Team Fortress 2 (64 teams) and Quake Live TDM (32 teams).

A huge prize fund of €6,000 EUR has been provided by the sponsor, Full Tilt Poker, which will undoubtedly lead to four fantastic events.

Counter-Strike: Source and Call of Duty 4 both receive €2,000 prize funds, and Team Fortress 2 and Quake Live TDM take €1,000 each.

Full Tilt Poker is the world’s fastest growing Online Poker site, offering both real money and free money play. Full Tilt Poker offers a wide variety of online poker games including No Limit Texas Holdem, Pot Limit Texas Holdem, and Fixed Limit Texas Holdem as well as varieties of Omaha, Stud, and Razz.

Heaven Media's Corin Cole had the following to say:

QuoteIt’s really fantastic to have Full Tilt Poker on board as a sponsor for these four tournaments, they will be extraordinarily popular with the esports community. Stay tuned for another exciting project between Full Tilt Poker and Heaven Media in the very near future!

Specific details for each event will be announced in the coming weeks, on EsportsHeaven.net and here on Crossfire.nu

Related: Full Tilt Poker

nice :)

nice but no et @>

And you expected there to be? Pretty ambitious butt :O)

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shoutcasting ET but secretly you hate it, blowing ppl like me out for cs 1.6

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couldn't help it mate, stylez is too persuasive :(

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Would be nice to see HM invest some money into ET... Seeing as crossfire is one part of HM aswell

Would you if you where HM or another of these companies? There isn't the player/watcher base in ET for big money sponsors to be interested.

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Im not talking about a competition on the scale of COD4 and CSS. A few 100 euros would have been sufficient and would have been nice to see that HM actually cares about the ET community and in fact crossfire i guess.

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Thats true, but again theres still not really much point for them. A lot of clans probably wouldn't want to send teams off to lans for £100 as well, especially if they're far away. Plus the additional costs that must go into setting up a LAN/Tournament, I can understand why there are not more for ET.

e: but yes, some money would be nice for the competitive scene

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I am tired and possibly blind, where does it say anything about lans ?

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It doesn't, just talking about money into ET. For the online parts, the point of publicity still stands. (Yes i realise my post was kinda off-point now! :D)

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Just good to see more and more competitions in ET, its just a shame that they are all ran at the same time. e.g. giants cup, EC and EMS. Although im a bit suspicious about the giants cup after not seeing any admin or update since the start. Scheduling 3 matches in 1 week is kinda annoying tbh. Hopefully when they have all finished there will be similar tournaments ran by numerous leagues/orgs.

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True, the more competitions the better for ET, especially for the highskilled scene. Just a shame it means we seem to need 5on5! It would be nice to see some money from heaven media, as you said. But I can't imagine it happening without some serious time investment from somebody.

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I dont see why, seeing as this site is the only one from HM that covers all of the games mentioned above (see my reply to corin) and is the only game in terms of one supported by a HM website that isnt featured. ET players dont expect big money competitions anymore, but would have been nice to see some sort of support from HM

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Agree with u on everything. Gotta love this "parent community" part where they dont wanna provide a single penny for a game that actually created this site and now has ~30000 users.

And yea, giants cup has really shit coverage and as it stands now, it looks like a scam to me.

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Ye the giants cup is looking like a total failure, i am thinking about dropping out as its a bit of a mad week scheduling 3 offis and getting pracs in. The parent company is what im trying to get across, in terms of competition prize money, number of teams and players, number of hits in terms of ppl clicking and registering on the website, an ET tournament must pay back dividends. We as a community and game havent received anything afaik that benefits us from HM as of yet. I hope they change that soon...

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exactly what I am thinking of

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Playing poker myself and arranging some events now and then for the Danish community I can tell you this.

You can't imagine how easy it is to arrange a tournament where the Pokersite could offer you more than you could imagine for this dying game.

HM most likely didn't even talk with them about a ET tournament.

I might be wrong however :)

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See my replies and you will understand what im putting across.

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ronnie

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like lans huh

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That's the second time I see you add an h to were.

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ET > QL TDM

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In terms of player/spectators? Learn something new every day :)

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player numbers/community size

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Guess I shouldn't speculate, especially as the recent News makes me look like a fool :)

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Esports Heaven is still a fairly young product, we launched it Summer 2009.

We're trying to keep growth (in terms of number of games on offer) limited to a point to ensure the quality doesn't change, and there are many different titles not currently played on Esports Heaven that we hope to introduce in the future.

We have seen one (possibly two?) ET events in the past, and when the team running the tournaments are ready to expand into new games, ET is certainly on the list.

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Sounds like a typical PR type post without sounding rude. I have seen HM do a lot for other sites and games but yet to see anything develop in terms of ET and crossfire. It just seems like HM single out crossfire and ET, i mean u look at tek9 - cod4 + quakelive = covered by this tournament. CSS and TF2 = cadred = covered by this tournament. This site is probably the only one that covers every single aspect of esports but is obviously primarily an ET esports site, yet we are the ones missed out.

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Ultimately it is a PR comment, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

Right now we feel that bringing too many new games onto Esports Heaven would cause issues for the main games currently supported - we only recently introduced Quake Live.

Counter-Strike 1.6 is another game that we've dabbled with in the past, but would like to see get regular attention on Esports Heaven (which is a game covered by Cadred).

The logic for not having ET as one of the very first games on the site is based around the fact that the community isn't as big (CoD4 tournaments, for example, fill 128 teams in ~4 hours), and the game isn't as modern. Those facts don't mean we can never host ET tournaments, just that they take more work and are less suitible during this period of trying to fully establish the site/brand.

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The 128 team comment is rather overhyped. If you look at how many teams competing in EC and EMS and OC and ESL leagues you are looking at getting around 50 teams for an ET tournament. As long as leagues/tournaments ask in advance you would get suitable and quite surprising numbers. All the games mentioned, apart from maybe TF2 (dont rly follow) are games that have far more players than ET. That is a fact. However, as it isnt an invite only tournament, your going to get a varied tournament in skill seeing as its open for all. There is no reason why ET couldnt produce a high number tournament which is appealing to the viewers. Seeing as its starting to be mentioned at some of the most prestigious lan events, such as AEF and OOF and already been the main game for crossfire lans - which in terms of ET and COD4 is probably ranked up there by most cod4 players as one of the better tournaments/lans. My point is that it seems harsh to not host an ET tournament, the cs 1.6 tournament wouldnt produce the best of the best as £2000 isnt much to that game and they are always busy attending lans all over the world. It would be nice to see some appreciation for ET and crossfire as a whole.

Sometimes sticking with the less prestigious games/community works better in the long run. ET has a strong community and i personally think this tournament would have benefited from it being featured.

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Currently we have to prioritise growing Esports Heaven over showing appreciation to the ET community, or any other community for that matter. The games we have picked for tournaments are picked as the most suitible for the site currently, not as any special nod to those communities.

We want to, and try to, support as many communities as possible, but that can't always be the primary consideration when making decisions.

Parent

An ET tournament with a £500 prize purse with 50 teams is surely better value for money and advertisement for HM and PP than a £2000 tournament for 128 teams. Without being rude, ET has got along fine without HM anyway, would have been nice to have your support in terms of competitions and leagues, but even without them we would get by. I just dislike the fact that everyone looks over ET and crossfire as an unappealing game and community that wont pay back dividends, which imo is totally wrong seeing as you can run a much cheaper tournament with similar numbers.

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To demonstrate that I'm genuinely not just trying to ignore you, but actually do believe in the point I've been making that Esports Heaven isn't ready for a big push into new games: I'm going to do my best to make an ET tournament on Esports Heaven possible in the near future, probably with hardware prizes to begin with.

Aside from that, I really do forsee a bigger place for ET in Esports Heaven, just not right now.

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and you are giving 1000€ for QL TDM?

hopefully all 127 people of own3d.tv will enjoy

monkeys/monkey

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I like this side of Mr Anderson :)

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I dont see your point about a big push, this is what i keep trying to get across to you. You yourself even stated it in your last sentence about providing hardware support, yet these games are receiving thousands of pounds/euros. You would never produce an ET tournament with those values, so surely a few hundred pounds as a prize pot would be more beneficial to both u and PP in terms of hits and advertisement etc. Like i say, sometimes its better to start of supporting the communities and players that have been around for years. CSS and CS 1.6 i would understand, hell i even understand you supporting the others because of the numbers, yet cannot understand why you wouldnt support a game that is low value, medium in terms of numbers/signups/hits and that has been around for 7+ years.

Agree with anderson's point, with ET you have a game that is supported by Quadv with the new addition of Owzo, you have a high number stream there - GTV which averages ~ 200 for decent games (finals +800). You have all the ingredients in ET but yet again ppl fail to realise how valuable putting little money into this game could be.

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Because the more games Esports Heaven covers, the more admins they require, the more time needed from the commercial side, and so on.

My deciding to try and create an ET tournament in the next couple of weeks isn't based on business logic but on my personal wish for you to not think I'm just blowing you off with a load of nonsense, that I am serious about wanting to support ET on Esports Heaven in the future.

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you could get 800 volunteers here with a second

why future? delete QL

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stop hating ql, it deserves the support while et deserves nothing. u dont even play regularly as long as it's not for the money - and thats not what gaming is about

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QL deserves support but not TDM

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there is no reason a game would 'deserve' support.
the only question here is supporting what is more profitable and it's questionable whether ql tdm is to be prefered over et in the context.

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ET and crossfire has been a self sufficient game and community without the help of other website such as HM. Would be no problem to ask a CB or ESL admin to admin the games and i am sure the likes of Krosan who has got ET and adminned the game at events such as AEF would have been more than happy to help out in terms of keeping everything smooth. All the CB and ESL admins have got to where they are now from being a typical ET player/crossfire browser. I do appreciate the fact that you are going to host an ET tournament, it just blows me away how it gets looked over in terms of this tournament.

We as a game and community just want to get to that next level, where more orgs and leagues invest into the game. It would be nice to see a parent company like HM actually help us achieve this. We will never be on the scale of cod4 and css, but there is no reason (like at AEF OOF Crossfire lans) why we cant attend tournaments that they also play in.
Appreciate your replies anyway.

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you have time man :o
(didnt read the comments)

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make a collumn

id support it

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always thought you are a mentally challenged retard till now :>

make a coloumn!

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I'm sure there is countless of ways witch Enemy Territory could have some tournaments
similar to the cups witch are held on http://www.esportsheaven.net on a monthly bias.
I think if Gaints can hold an cup with some prize pot, heaven media as major company within esports can hold similar tournaments for the crossfire community.

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2 years ago I was managing one of the biggest eSport organizations named AndThenSome.

We had the worlds #9 best CS 1.6 team and we were really successful during that time. As a rather new but still successful organization we recruited a rather young but stable as hell team Call of Duty team, named Holstebro eSports. We filled the team with gear and sponsored them a all inclusive trip to CC5 with everything paid, however they almost ended up last I can assure you it was all worth it.

The bond within the organzation became so strong that were able to trust 100% in each other, no matter what.
After the teams departure due to Roskilde Raven's comeback we recruited the former FatGames to join our ranks.
During the 2-3 months stay we were working pretty much most of the time working on contracts, actually they were set to be the first team in Call Of Duty history to get a salary. Most of it was settled, we paid them a high buy-in to a North-American Online cup as one of the only teams together with fnatic & TCM. However during that time the team itself changed lineup 2-4 times, they ended up totally screwing us and abusing us so hard that it's amazing.

I was contacted by JUSZN one day where he was directly demanding that I'll buy him a brand new license to Windows, I was quickly to ask why? And he ended up coming with a excuse saying that he kept getting problems with the license and it always pops up, actually he stated, that he last night during a official match against dignitas was the reason why the game itself ended as a tie instead of a win since his computer automatically shut down due to his license expiring when he was defusing in the last round.

A while after that we kept getting demands to talk about higher salary, new gear and such.
We quickly parted our ways with the team, however JUZSN ended up publishing a fake statement that was supposed to come from me on actually your site Cadred, which we by the way warned you guys tons of times however you wouldn't delete it.

I ended up writing a official statement and left the CoD4 scene.
We as the only organization spend lots of money hiring a lawyer to fix the contracts and the UKeSa stuff regarding having a English manager citizenship, gear and such.

My point is that during all this time we at ATS had the perhaps best time with our Danish CS 1.6 Powerhouse team and our Danish CoD4 team. We didn't earn anything on the time but I can assure you we had one hell of a time. The biggest ain't always the best I can assure you that.

I just simply can't see why you having that big a position of yours can't help this rather medium-sized but still active and friendly community to gather some tournaments that could make our long missing members come back and even gather new people to join up and play this awesome game that tactically can't even be compared with any game being played this day.

I know you come and go at this website and you for the most receive tons of random flame and such, but I hope you can somehow understand my point of view.

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so that's what the lan was about :<

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The LAN was supposed to be arranged together with people from Roskilde eSport and MYM, however unfortunately ET was never a deal of the new plan. Only I kept it alive.

Everything about the LAN was itself real however posting a wrong date kinda blew the trigger for me not supporting this game anymore in any sort of way regarding organizing. Krosan was offered my position to lead it on.

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beat that

google dns jo

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nice!

was about time that a big poker company starts sponsoring esports since many esports players are interested in poker.

expecting some great events

Nice to see some major companies outside the normal hardware sphere supporting e-sports.

Not really sure whats in it for them other than brand recognition , so have to see if it lasts :).

: ( i was expecting a poker tournament

I was actually expecting the CC8 announcement when I saw the "Ch.." of challenge :D

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long way to "THE WORLD’s LARGEST POKER SITE"

its true that PS is larger but alot more nosebleed action on FTP

also more easy freerolls 8)

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It really would be nice to see ET involved. I personally feel that Crossfire (and its community) are often left behind when it comes to Heaven Media. However, what we have to realise is that Heaven Media is a company and they need to ensure they get the best for them (and quite rightly so). Most of their hits are from Cadred & TEK9, so it would make sense (to them) for CSS and COD4 to receive these big tournaments.

When the time comes that HM invest as much time in this community as they have in the aforementioned communities, they will quickly see it is the right thing to do.

Good luck to HM in this new venture, it's a great thing for eSports in general. Here's to HM taking on more ET-based tournaments in the near future!

Cmon, just get some semidecent admin from here and throw a cup for ET, money is not even needed and you can still pretend you care about ET!

sorry i play PartyPoker.net or Texas Hold’em Poker

somebody can make a tldr version why is it good for me ?

if you play css/cod/qltdm/tf2 on a high level, win this
otherwise pracc hard go pro in et

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and again noone is caring about ET

ev+ movement

Really ? What's the opponent range ?
Put u on AK obv...

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why isnt it "The Full Tilt Esports Challenge" or "The Full Tilt Poker Esports Challenge" ? this one is just misleading!

Are you all serious?????? €6,000 over 4 tournaments! just LOL.

Getting taken for a ride Heaven Media style. Just wow.

hahahaha oh god thats funny, I bet you even begged for that money hahaha.

ql tdm \:D/

can't we just play poker for money without a buy in instead :D

smart move from FTP, pc gamers are a very potential group of poker players and I bet they'll make that 6000€ back multiple times from the new players they'll manage to get with this

generally poker sites offer loads of freerolls daily, because they're a great way to introduce new players and the amounts they put into them are very minimal compared to gained revenue from those new players who will end up making a deposit and start playing over there

also I'm pretty sure that if someone would contact FTP or some other poker site you could get a decent prizepool for ET players aswell.. I would say that 6000€ over these 4 tournaments is actually a pretty small amount of money

1000$ for quakelive TDM yay!

ql tdm rotfl, hope u arent serious

why wouldn't he be serious?

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http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=11268

look at groups, imo that should be enough

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i don't see a problem other than 32 teams is too much

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if they switch to 2v2 TDM its going to be an insta win.

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insta win for noctis and zyv ;D

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nou daut about that :DDD

but i just imagine lots of really good 2v2 teams singing in, and lots of good close matches (except games vs cherubim) happening.
in 4v4 not only shall we get less teams, but also forfeits and team removals =(

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"Counter-Strike: Source"

only for noob imo

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