Crossfire Draft Tournament
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30 Dec 2011, 00:38
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News
I am proud to present to you the Crossfire Draft Tournament! Captains have been chosen to form 8 teams from a poule of players. With a strong combination of good coverage, shoutcasting, management and interesting matches we hope for a successful tournament for the whole community to see! If it is a success you will certainly see more of these in future, with possibly more teams if held on a Sunday. Wait and see!
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Captains
40 players have been chosen by admins, each captain will select 5 of those players to form a roster with (choosing players one at a time in turns until teams are finished). Once all players are added to a roster, the teams will be announced via newspost here on Crossfire.
Maplist
- adlernest
- supply
- sw_goldrush_te
- bremen_b3
- frostbite
- radar
- Captains announced: 30th December 2011
- Teams announced: 2nd January 2012
- Brackets announced: 5th January 18CET
- Single Elimination (No Loserbracket)
- Matches are BO3
- All matches will be on ETTV
- THIS IS A ONE DAY CUP
#crossfire.cup
e.playerpool needed
e2. no missile = win
edit: are their current teams disbanding or what is happening to them?
gl lads
e: like said in the post if we can get it on a free sunday there will be more teams -> signups needed.
Remember:
Change the idea of it being a oneday cup, it should be at least a week or 2 weeks, let it generate more excitement for the spectators, let the teams find some teamplay and settle things with strategy, tactics etc.
Maybe you should think about doing it this way, causes less drama and its fair. The idea of the draft tournament is too good enough for it to only stand for one day. gl with tournament tho!
The classes (at this for the first cup) was just way too difficult to organise in a short period of time and seeing as it's Christmas and New Years Eve I haven't been on to sort it out with art and fumble every night. Also, this is where our original idea of having 8 riflers as the captains came from so that the playerpool was simply split into classes for them to pick from because that would obviously be the most fair way in terms of teams that get picked (all pick from the fop, med, engi list each time so that they all get the right mix of players too)
Hope this makes sense I've had no sleep for ages now :P
KA-CHING
I don't give a fuck who knows me and who doesn't, hell I'm pretty sure 96% of people here don't know me and I couldn't care less, it's acting like that what pulls out my aggression
i am quebra-tolas
[20:59:26] <+Gifted_> someone is going to be picked last AL1`
[20:59:29] <+AL1`> :>D
[20:59:30] <+AL1`> :D
i will most likely be the real winner of being picked last ^^ admitting to this does not give me any joy whatsoever
8teams also nur 8 rifler^^
und ja ich hätte gedacht ich gehöre auch zu den top8 rifller ;DDDD
xylos,night,mind,flop,jere,mant,kevji,specula
naja aber ist bestimmt nur deswegen da ich net sehr viele offis gespielt und die admins mich gar net kennen
I gona show u all
E: Kevin low
Got one question though.
Brackets are announced on the 5th. Does this mean that the cup is played then as well?
If so I would've hoped that the teams had 1-2 weeks time to prac before the showdown.
with not enough practime might end up in chaos and won't be as entertaining
after all, it is a one-day cup
With "chaos" I don't mean that it should become a public where 12 players just hunt for frags, but that teams don't have everything sorted out yet, kind of like a nationscup.
e: but we'll see on the 5th
in summer... HIKING FIRE BREATHING TIME BEGINS!!!
gl with that^^
maybe cuz zvt imba?
Y U NO IN MAPPOOL?!
"40 players have been chosen by admins"
and none of thoses admins know me so i guess thats the main reason :x
anyway wish you good luck with "your" tournament
De toute façon si j'ai bien compris c'est le premier d'une longue série, tu auras ta chance un jour aussi ! :))
je serais au coin de la rue, pour te voler la place, comme à chaque fois.
j'ai fais 1 match irc avec eux, contre antho, talg, gast etc ( un mix de fr qui se connait )
on s'est fait rapé, jcrois que pdt ce match, c etait nous le mix :D
du coup j'étais plus motivé du tout a les join, je les ai pas pm, ni eux, donc
c est pas comme si tu ma volé une place que je n'aurais pas prise
:D
because if you have played against me now and not 3 years ago it would be different :)
stop talking bullshit your far away to know how i play and dont waste your time trying to flame me your just ridiculous
thats really sad from an admin seeing him trying to get down a player without argues, lying and saying bullshit..
100 players.. Rather say the whole community and you will say something great
cheers
2. You're shit and not even in the top 100 of players in ET, you have a semi-decent aim sure, but you're completely fucking dumb and useless when it comes to anything else in game.
Sorry?
And go ahead and link the game where you did win, shame it didn't knock us out of the cup.
You're shit, you know you are, and you're only arguing and whining so much about it because you can't accept that most of the community face rolls you.
if im "shit" like you say what are you ? getting owned by a "shit" player :D
that must be really sad for yah man you are really a fucking kiddo
watch the stats and stfu mongol
You're more interested in topping damage rather than winning as a team or trying to help your team.
http://www.gamestv.org/event/19469-belgian-fraternity-vs-dream/
or even this
http://www.gamestv.org/event/18781-dream-vs-energy-wave/
come talk to me about teamplay or brain after this
fucking hell you really have nothing else to do flaming me? there is no point just stop wasting your time your wrong about me and will always be
i dont even flame you i just talk about my self
dont even wanna waste my time with you because you are nothing
Nice way to change your stance after saying "LOOK AT STATS LOOK AT STATS" - You're clearly taking shit way too seriously, get over yourself and accept the fact you're not the best player around.
Also: Note the dates in the above games, you decided to drop your so called teamplay to become an egofucktard aim only idiot?
anyway i never said i was the best or one of the best or anything close to that
THAT shows how your argues are wrong because you dont even know what your talking about
your point is just flaming me and trying to get me down in front of all the community but hey
the only thing i care about is that im better than YOU and thats all i do care about
keep talking wont answer since your just saying bullshit
and i proved everything yet :)
Also, I didn't need to check the replays, dunno if you remember but I have played with you when you begged me god knows how many times to give you a tryout, you went panzer for the majority of the game and claimed it was to help the team by killing 1-2 guys on full, yet you did fuck all.
Anyone can say "check this look at my team play" and pull off 1 or 2 actions and say they did everything, anyone can say that they have team play if they honestly believe that they do have it, when they do not.
good luck tough and nevermind a random frenchie mad :p
always same story
+ Before commenting please wait to see the poule!
fumble: one of the most active UK guys I know
owzo: read his comment
Artstar: I just don't want to know how many ETTV's he has watched + he's active as well
MerlinatoR: has helped in every single ET tournament for the past few months
Krosan: well, krosan is krosan
TosspoT: needs no excuse, yep
Can't wait for exact rules in what order will captains choose their players.
captain 1 starts up to captain 8
captain 8 starts down to captain 1
(and then either captain 1 again, or let captain 2 start)
(follow by 8 or 7 )
1. Don't make a pick on private irc channel but on public. Choosing players gives an excitement. Voice captains, op admins and let's go.
2. As I wrote earlier on - I kinda don't believe that all of those 40 players (48 in fact, shout out for Thomm <3) will appear and be avi for the tournament. If I were you, I would invite like 60 players. Some of them wouldn't appear (not much of them probably), the last guy picked would be happy because he got picked (not sad cause picked as last one), captains would have more choice etc.
3. About the order - yes, that's the hardest part I believe. For captains' order you might use some irc command like "searches yahoo.com for goatsex " " hits WEEE!" - the one who got the most hits is #1, the one who got the least hits - #8. And then you go from 1-8 in 1st round, then from 8-1 in 2nd round, 1-8 -3rd round etc.
4. Seeing some comments from Polish players, I think you didn't invite much of them. Don't walk away from the biggest community. It's already sad that there's no Polish player amongst captains.
thanks for those ideas though, all are helpful :)
edit: too bad im not in le playerpool :(
edit2: GL with it
PS : I mean teams, mixteams and random games when I say played with, a random mix once upon a time obviously doesn't count.
because it will be as usual: known & skilled players, you played ET since forever, no?
nothing against you
edit: actually looked at capitain again, ye I guess it shouldn't be that bad
e: I am not racist but why the hell there are 2 belgian cptns ? are belgians better than other nations ? why the fuck there is no one from the other continent ?
e2: do you know what the hell the draft is ? choosing new talents (less known guys with potential), giving them opportunities. I hope that the poule of the players is not a bunch of EC players ;p then it won't have anything with draft ! here is something for admins, additional DRAFT
Its pretty obvious that they are EC/higher skilled players, why the fuck would they not be? Doesnt really matter if there is low players & high skilled players, lows wont get picked up anyway.
Giving what fucking opportunities? This aint place for a "give out opportunities to players who might just turn SHIT and ruin the competition for team ur a captain of"
I wonder if you actually read the article from wikipedia at all. What you're talking about there is entry draft, which is meant for existing leagues to allocate new players who recently became eligible to play in the league. That isn't the only type of draft and drafts can be used to form new leagues (or in this case, one day cups) aswell. Basically the general idea of draft is just to prevent one team getting all the best players and form as equal teams as possible.
EDIT: And why not some new thingie, maybe next time it could be gather-like with captains so everyone gets a change to be in the spotlight :)
8 + 5 x 8 = 40.
EDIT: Aahahaha, I am such a retard, sorry :DDD
"Oh wait what, shiiiit :D"
- Live Coverage of the Drafting (Shoucasters, there you go), maybe even within a streamed video converence between the captains
- Live Coverage/Interviews with the Captains and how they will set up tactics etc.
- One train/warmup match for every team against a community team (maybe build via the IRC gather thingy) in which the captain plays shoutcaster and explaines to the crowd why he chosed the players for his team, what he expects and what his decisions based on the warmup-match are
- Live broadcast of team ingame communication (TS/vent etc.).
- IRC channel discussions for every match with the captains and teams
- ingame discussion about the state of the match (for like 4 mins or so) between the maps moderated by admins
- Different mappool..... if this is meant as a fun-event, i really dont understand why the same old maps have to be played again!
- A propos fun: How about allowing only luger/pistol and knife during the third map? That would be fun to watch...
- Lowering the Playerpool to 32 and do a lottery for the whole communtiy, in which one can win 1 out of 8 wildcards, so that each team has a wildcarded random community member
- etc etc
The way how you guys will do it is just boring and i doubt that it will be any exciting to just watch random mixxed teams playing against each other. In that case i prefer to spec some low+ matches on GTTV, just because its the same.....
tl;dr: the community base wont have any profit in therms of entertainment and its like e-sports how it was done in the year 2000. Anyway, nothing against your efforts, at least you guys try to do something else.
e: ib4 flame: I dont thinkt that this is a friends cup, i only think that this aint something new with respect to the entertaining factor.
first of all, captain is playing so it would really hard to fully concentrate on game and talk about players simultaneously. And talking about reasoning when he was picking players, well, it would make a sense if there would be 40 equal players in pool, but in many cases it would be "I had to fill last 2 spots in team and this one seemed to be a lesser of the evils", noone would like to hear that.
I disagree on that, I dont see a fun in playing some random half-fucked up map with mixes just because its supposed to have a higher fun factor.
This could work for 3on3, but pistol only in 6on6 would be insane.
You would need to make sure that this lottery will be won by 8 more-less equal players otherwise there would be really small chance to get 8 equal teams.
One could manage, that the captain aint playing in that match, so that he can concentrate on speccing an talking. Well, your right, that some spots will only be filled because there is no better player left, but i thought about some arguing in the sense of: "i took this player to fill the rifle spot and this player as a second engi because of that and that reasons".
Well, i thought this was meant as a show for the crowd to specc, so actually i dont care if the players having fun! Besides there are a couple of maps out there, which aint crappy and arend played that often. E.g. reactor. I just remember the last or the second last NC, in which germany and the netherlands played one of the most entertaining matches ever on reactor.
As if the teams would be equally skilled anyway.... Anyway, again: If this is meant as an entertaining show for the community, noone should cry if a random low+ skiller is playing in a team, while theres a random med skiller in the other team.
personally I think that a better idea would've been to pick a captain from each of the 8 best countries / teams
edit: actually that first point isn't valid as they'd have to be picked up anyway as there's only exactly 40 players to pick from :D
No
gl with this
Why not make the registration open and then just pick the players from the list:
1. it's not any worse than your method, just more players on top of that 40 players list some of whom infact could be better. 8 caps picking out of 100 players is always better than out of 40 and gonna provide higher skill. And the ones who aren't picked in the end are just baddies, leave them out.
2. infact you can get 12(nothing wrong with it) or maybe 16 teams if you make it open (judging by recent TDM and CTF drafts in QL which had more than 16 teams each while playerbase of a single QL gamemode is around the same as ET or maybe even a bit smaller), it's not like there gonna be lots of lowskills, I'm pretty sure there are more than 48 players who're at least medskilled (though i havent rly played ET competitively for a long time myself, but it doesnt look like the scene is dead completely)
Also it is extremely idealistic if you think that all those 48 players gonna be there the whole day playing the cup, in QL the captains just picked 1 more extra player and that wasnt always enough.
So far it looks like someone was given an idea of a draft cup but failed to implement it so far
QL drafts had lots of extremely huge names participating who registered on there own without need to invite them.
they don't rly matter, captains can pick whoever they want left in the list
I said nothing stupid, you said ET is dead and I disagreed. that's all. if you can honestly say that makes me stupid then you have real problems.
yea I'm an admin (->now<-). original plan was that I just did newsposts because I'm kinda busy nowadays, but yea it seems I can handle everything so far.
please elaborate, I can't do anything if you're just saying such a general statement as that.
2.bla bla
3.read the comments in this thread
now please fuck off you are the last person i'd like to have a conversation with.
Though honestly this only happens in ET, in latest ql CTF draft for example there was a lot of top players who played in the same teams as the new players who never played on that level. And that was really fun and both tops and lowbies enjoyed the cup cause it was quite balanced overall. While ET seems like full of ego kids, meh
but for some reason, we have these egomasters here :)
this is actually a nice idea for a cup setup, tho i dont like that only the known players got invited to this. it would have been better to ask the community for general interest and from this playerbase you would have chosen ur players (tho in the end, most likely the same 40 guys would be picked... but still ^^)
one could of course limit the signups, such that every participating player actually gets to play. just like in crossfight there could be ranks assigned to players - these ranks get updated after losing/winning games in the competition. highly ranked players would get an invite, guys losing too often would have to pause for 1 or 2 weeks (if there are enough signups without them).
ps. I read your comment above and yes there were some good ideas but some are just over the top :D I think you are taking this mostly into what only you want to see, I mean people have tried these things, like in ET-Cast/Project Phoenix, MerlinatoR was doing the video's etc with summary's of the month and stuff like that but the sad truth is ET people haven't changed, they enjoy what has always been there and that's enjoyable matches =P of course we will add lots of things but the basic for entertainment that most people connect for is skilled players + shoutcasts.
Also, i agree that the draft/picking of players should be a public thing on irc/shoutcasted/streamed etc.
Apart from that, it should produce some thrilling games.
Seriously if you actually read the comments you fucking idiots, it states they are likely to do any other one in a more of a draft version, fucking retards, mad belgians!!!! and POLAKS!
enuff said....
I think this sounds very interesting. Good idea imo!
even though it would be absolutely most fun to play it, it will also be interesting to watch.
and happy new year:)
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edit: stop sending msgs, i was trolling
Make some competition for players -> pick 1/team -> more viewers to see how that guy plays -> benefit
:) GL
That would be great, at least for me!:D
Hope there will be a similar cup for newer players.
The teams would be like 1 realiable EC player as a captain, 3 OC premier players and two OC 2nd division players or something so I can play as well!:D
1 EC/NC Player
1 OC Prem Player
1 OC 2nd
...
would get some great matches imo :P
*E* or another option to get a 6man like :
1 ger
1 eng
1 fin
.. ( each nation one player ) :)
Would offer the chance for lower skilled players to play with the better players and spectators would see new faces playing. Problem might be the skill gaps within med and low category players though. Some teams might get relatively better med and low players as the captains couldn't possibly know all the players in the draft.
One option could be to just totally randomize the teams (still sticking to 2 players from each 3 categories), but not sure if that would be any better and a public draft should be a lot more entertaining to follow than just a lottery.
who are the lucky 40 ones ?
We should have the same tournement open to random people and not only 5stargamers.
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No, I'm not available to be one of the 40 players. Sorry bro! =/. Tell the captains I'm sorry also.
Will be interesting! <3
It has already been done for ql in tdm & ctf, was really great
http://www.jeesports.com/tournament/PC/Quakelive/705/JeeQL11-Dec.-CTF-Draft-Tournament/home
u should have done registration for all players and then pick the best ones from them. but your way you have same people playing all the time. gj
what difference would that make? when you see the list of players you will realise they are not our fucking friends, jesus christ what is wrong with all of you. no matter how you made the system, no matter what the best players would be chosen, we just made things as balanced as we could in the shortest period we had, and all we get is flame that we could have done it better. I'm surprised anybody makes cups anymore if this is all the response they get.
anyways iwrote that comment when i came home last night and im sorry if that offend you. gl with this project anyway.
everyone wants to play every cup if it looked like skilled guys were playing there. do you think this would get so much attention if it was announcing a draft cup of non-ec/oc prem players only? no fucking way, the only reason everyone wants to play is because they know good players are there too, if it was just a random cup filled with unknown people there would be 350 comments less than this.
u should stay focused on my point and then reply. its useless if u dont know what im talking about.
CDT #1 cup specifically is not created in order for new players to get lucky with skilled ones, this is the FIRST draft cup we're doing, and so obviously we want things to go as smoothly as possible for it. this happens by choosing the playerpoule ourselves, to not get any possible fuckups, if things run smoothly surrounding our ability to actually run the cup then yes we will make it open signups in the february edition.
The whole thing is about that I came back at 2 am saw a nice news article then i found out its for certain players pick by admins and telling myself how the fuck they can call it draft.
And now lets stfu and enjoy the last moments of this year.
e: i just found out that ur friend of that muscled bitch ipod so i hope we are good :D
[01:14] <TROPiCC> wieder back ? :D
[01:38] <butchji> lo
[01:39] <butchji> spiel diesen draft cup
[01:39] <TROPiCC> only draft cup ?
[01:39] <butchji> denk scho
[22:57] <TROPiCC> tornis
[22:57] <TROPiCC> you back to et ?
[22:57] <TROPiCC> :D
[23:18] <tornis> TROPiCC yo for sure :)
That plus the shoutcaster actually STREAMING the game for people. I believe drago started streaming but then stopped or something.
and there are a handful of good/decent shoutcasters (tosspot, owzo, francis, etc.), just happens to be that usually only the "most exciting" games are casted
I am absolutely sure that MORE people would rather click on some ad on gamestv/crossfire that would take them to the game, rather than open ET, connect to ETTV and then attempt to sync the shoutcast with the in game sound.
It has been tried a couple of times and the only thing that was bad was the quality. I don't even understand why, quality should not be an issue with a 10~ year old game.
yeah I agree that syncing can be difficult at times, but I still feel that most would prefer ettv to streaming
e: found it.
and I'm getting my friends pc in couple of days since he goes back to Usa. ET should run fine on it.
GO WIPE THAT CUM STAIN OF UR LIPS FAGGOT BITCH NIGGGGGGGGAAAAA
cant agree more.
and tbh all captains' friends are almost all in that pool
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