Should the Netherlands & Finland be kicked from NC?

Following the Croatia fiasco, frozz has raised questions of the Netherlands and Finnish teams for this seasons NC. Should the same rules apply, and both favourites be kicked?
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kick finland!
according to the rules, yes. but don't do it.. tho I voted yes cause rules are rules after all :(
why "dont do it" ????????????????????? RULES ARE RULESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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ye but it will ruin the NC :(
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would it ruin NC if they let croatia play? would that be acceptable to YOU?
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well yea.. CRO are better than us..
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that would most probably mean israel would be out if you lose to croatia
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I know.. \: I don't like to win by forfeits or cause of retarded rules.. I won't encourage them to bring back CRO but I won't tell them to not do it aswell ..
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rules are rules, sorry.
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no you voted yes because croatia can bash your ass
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Yes, rules are rules.

Read them next time, and change them for next NC.


Its like forfeit some teams at ETMASTERS because they used a 180º script. Is it worth the redcard/ban? No its not, but rules are clear. A yellow card would be fair instead. Kick = 2 yellow card or 1 red card (180º isnt red card worthy)
I would go with that, it´s a bit over the top.

But at the other side 180° scripts are clearly bug abusing, like hardly defusable bugplants would be so it´s justified I guess. A bug is a bug, doesn´t matter how much advantage you gain from it imho.
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Yes yes, but i mean they dont need to give forfeit at all.. dunno.. sounds bad to give a def win to the worst team
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Ye right, like I said I also guess it´s a bit over the top.
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what happened? :o
perfo got caught with hacks and squalli too! Shame, I say!
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you're not kidding?
speaking the truth?
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they would never got caught. even if they hacks
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just read the news...kk
Not nice of you telling us/me lies:C
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SILLY GERMAN FOOL
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naive maybe, and not up-to-date... but not silly:C
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rules are rules
come on we are speaking about nc 6vs6 and they played together in 3vs3 so definitely no .
and RULES ARE RULES is clearly stupid, people should use their brain sometimes .
no, they actually have a chance of winning
This rule is good for active games with a huge scene from each country. Not in ET anymore I guess. -_-
Finally a good reason besides that Finland > all :]
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rules are rules... we all have to obide by them...

I dont agree with the 3v3 thing cuz it's not 6v6 competition
the rules were there for all teams to read from the start, and have not changed for years? so why cry now about breaking the rules everyone knew were in place?

on the other hand, why did clanbase not warn or advise all teams about this and not wait till soooooo many games had been played before enforcing the rule? surely they must check these rosters before the competition actually starts? if not, its the hieght of lazy adminning and they need a shake up in who runs CB. they could have spotted the roster rule breaking before it even started and surely this could all have been avoided?
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I guess so, we got fucked in the ET masters so everyone should get fucked in the same manner
CuttyP says no, so its no
Well, ofc if we are removed it's understandable since "rules are rules", but this is pretty fucking retarted to be punished for being added to some clan way back in the past, seems like have to remove myself from every clan Ive ever played before so can't be punished like this. :/
aint it funny.. that is based how 5 players are in defix cb while 4 out of those 5 were playing for different teams in that OC and would not have been eligible to play defix in any case. xD

but rules are rules !
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doesn't raab have too many NC guys added as well :D ?
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isn't all finnish players in each others team? :P
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ye it's like all swedish guys are in dispo !
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kind of, but you are so many! ;)
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we are just 5 of which just one guy played at a time (because defix = me, sanda and 3rd). In dispo there are like 8 swedish NC guys
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yeeeeaaaaaaa well maybe.. or kind of.. or smth :D
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shut up fool
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if they kick croatia, yes they should be kicked but its a total shit rule, imo a nation cup is for the top players of each nation to compete against each other, even if those players play in the same clan.

The rule only excist to stop countries from getting a head start over other countries because those players are used to each other (I think) but if it goes so far to force countries to play with far less skilled players it just isnt a nations cup anymore.
yes, if croatia is going to remain kicked then both finland and netherlands should be kicked
yes + 12 month ban for each captain
I voteed yes only because the quake that would be generated would force CB to change some of their policies and stupid rules.
useless pol 2 much haters here
don't kick Finland but kick NL!!!
Yes, rules are rules

I don't rly understand you guys, that always was a well know rule, what did you expect? Players now have bigger ego so they think they are god like, but NO, rules are rules. In past nobody had problem with it, now it's a big THING because it comes to the " stars " and " wnbs "
+ 100000000
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nobody takes ET serious @ this moment everybody cheats
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definitely yes. I bet they knew what they were doing so it's the only choice.
rules are rules...
put croatia back in there

OR

bb fin and nl too :>
Since when NL is favorite xD
the whole rule doesn't mate sense, its a nations-cup why shouldn't all the players from that nation not be allowed to play?

ye sure cortana's NC lineup is the same as their normal lineup, what do you expect, they should take random low noobs from their nation so they can lose all matches?
would "change the rules" be retroactive then?
That'd require CB admitting to a mistake :f

They’ve retrospectively issued cards to teams for not having the correct names in-game, even though a ref was on server & didn’t enforce it – see no reason why they couldn’t.
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ban all

what happened to croatia btw?
What butchji said, and also what Kiewan said
Imo no one should be kicked and the rule should be removed or changed so that applies to 6v6 only
why even ask.. rules r for everyone or not? i dont get why u always have to think about it cause for croatia u used the rules allrdy.. so same rules for everyone.
cos some people think the rules just dont apply to them....guess they were wrong huh :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D good call CB !
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no because its shitty to kick the team on the half way of the cup,
they should have checked it all before the cup started.
we players can always do mistakes, but the rule makers should check if all teams were correct, thats their mistake
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while i agree, there has to be a lot of blame put on cb admins not for checking the teams rosters BEFORE the games even started, of course there is an equal ammount of blame for the team captains ,that KNOW the rule is there not doing the same dude :<
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vote no , this is ridicilous
rules are rules, kick.
i dont see why there is a rule for only a certain amount of players from a team are allowed to play for their country. its NATIONS CUP, everyone in the nations community should be allowed to play (except banned players).

Im sure the admins want the cup to be as good as possible but with that rule your not allowing some very good players to compete, which means its not going to be as good as it could be.
^ what this guy said
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Sometimes you have to admit your rules are flawed and must be changed.
one of the most things that separate us from the animals are rules

but
i dont understand why all those retarded polls
its not for us to decide
if cb kick fin and nl so good for them
if not, they must bring Croatia back and update their rules
ECs for the players, NCs for the ETTV pub.

Community pressure o/ something about bums & opinoins, burp
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wtf is that English :DD
slob on my knob you mug
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Green Street Cohen hrhr

It's a saying, "opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one".
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omg green street hooligans :DDD
was rly awsome movie :D
ARSE :~>
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I didn't like the ending though:x
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omg you are 1:1 like my friend :O

he was like why he didnt punch back
why no one helped him

HE SHOULDNT DIE!!
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so frozzen is rulez whoring ?

oh didnt see that one comin

useless dweeb
if cb dont change the rules ye - both should be kicked as well... if they change the rules and cro can play again then no team should be kicked ;p
rules are rules but it are both 2 top teams in NC especially FIN, it would take really take something our of NC
No, change the rules and let Croatia back in.

I think the 3 players from a team rule is pretty good though. You see players that wouldn't normally playing together doing so, making it a bit more interesting to watch.
They should just scrap that rule, it's bullshit. But if CRO is kicked then also FIN & NL should be kicked. (or none of them)

Let's see what CB will do.
Was this a problem in previous nations cups?
Kick none or kick all, rules are the rules
KICK ALL! NEW TEAM! TAZ THE LEADER!
Kick NL but keep Finland, there's a difference between a 3v3 and a 6v6 clan.
FIN thing has 4 out of those 5 were playing in DIFFERENT teams than in defix in same competition, can you just "be" member in 2 (or more) teams just like that. Doesnt make any sense at all. And when they never played together anywhere :D just a joke whole shit
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clownbase hahahahahahaha
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but i still think that the word member is to describe a player who is actually playing for them and not sitting in a cb profile. Its been same rule for years and noone hasnt complained about it
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RULES ARE KILLING ET but np we are used to it admins abusing every rule and kicking players nations bla bla :D

Eurocup invites were BS
Nationscup rules are BS
Maplists are BS

but np we are used to it :)

ANYWAY i still love ET cuz of the friendships and i still manage to have fun playing :)
+1

fully agree with you tanQie <3
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they removed cro so they have to remove nl and fin same rights for everyone
No is the most "moral" option however I have a sincere disdain against moralfaggotry so I voted yes.
UK in the playoffs !!
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if croatias gets kicked, then yes nl/fin have to be kicked too and rules should be changed aswell :(
just delete this retard rule! and let croatia play too!
clanbase is going mental!
NO, change the rules -.-
Clanbase, go crazy! Let Croatia Netherlands and Finland play!
I'd understand if this was about murso/vae in previous NCs, but about a 3on3 team this is utter crap !
Just too bad I clicked yes without studying the case (because of the rules are rules thing), but now that I noticed what's it about I almost fell down from my chair xD

Defix is a 3on3 team so how could we have more than 3 players from same team :D ?

And in addition to that, defix nearly never plays without me and Sanda both in the field. Ofc one of those guys has been 3rd often, but they never played at same time...


but well, if this is what komar meant with "UK in the playoffs", well kinda pathetic thing if it really happens
I swear, like 70% of ppl don't understand it right, it doesn't matter what kind of a team is it as long as players are on the roster and clan was active at the given time

at least according to cb
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it doesnt say in anywhere, only phrase there is "member" and tbh you cant call a player (if you think it logically there is no more than one answer which is right and thats if you play = you are a member) member if he havent played for team, and especially when hes been playing for a different team.
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it's not that I disagree with what you're saying, it's just only that CB has a different view on members, players and whatnot, suvi was added to cortana for 5 hours, never got to play an offi there obviously and we got kicked because of that
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CB never had that view before why would they change it and especially without informing anyone? admin screwed up nothing more
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don't know, we should hear it from the guys in charge
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so what's up with stronger than hate then :D ?

afaik like every german nc guy is in there as well as a lot more guys too
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can't say because I haven't checked but if they have more than 3 players of some NC team playing at the same time and the clan was active at one point in those 4 months then the NC team should be kicked also
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well it's frozzen's own team and it got like 100 old school pro's. I haven't checked it myself but I guess we can kick half of the teams in NC if we apply this rule on it
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they played with different profile (not the 1000 players profile) so I guess it wouldnt apply here
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hm no body reads the cb rules 'til the end imo. D:
'cause it's wasted time :)
KICKBAN PLZ !

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which rule?
Just bring back Croatia :x
if not - kick both
rules are made to be broken

fck it and let them both play ;D
All team agreed this rules before. It is there problem if they break the rules! Voted for "Yes".
KICK ALL OR NOBODY !
This NC bs is overshadowing the crappy EC qualis :X
thats it! you see what they did there! new cb tax :p
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Where's "Yes. Change the rules"
kick all teams and close the event, pathetic shit
admit your decision about Croatia was wrong (even if it wasn't), change the rule and let'em all play or kick them all, there is no other option
you know that the first option would never happen :)
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yes I know, CB NEVER make mistakes ;]
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honestly, from spectator point of view, do not disqualify them, because ettv will lose two nice teams to show.

but, as it was stated, rules are rules, so if you hurt one team, do it to the rest, unless you explain why these cases differ from the croatian one.
I didnt check but someone said that poland had also used more than 3 players ( supervisor allowed them ), they should be banned also if that is true , since NC chiefs would never allow this, i dont know what are ET admins doing but if someone complains about this , they will be banned :)

CRO banned = FIN NL (POL) banned !
Epic UK vs. Yerman final incoming >:D

Ban 'em all!
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i would prefer seeing the supervisor banned!
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rules are rules
neither croatia nor these 2 teams should be kicked.
the whole rule is crap, considering that croatia only got like 10 decent players or so, almost all of them playing in the same team.
Rules are rules. I'm not just saying this because i want the uk to go to playoffs, it'd just be ridiculous if the rule is disregarded once it's been broken.
The fact that UK would go through is just a super bonus :D
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Well, yes. It would be stupid to not kick us as they kicked Croatia for the same situation as NL/FIN has.

Though, I can't understand why they would kick Croatia from NC anyway. It's insane that you kick a team while a few of their players didn't play in EC.

Same counts for NL, tekoa played active with impact for the last few months. Before that he didn't play a single official with us (dnan).

You seriously have to leave all your ex-clans?
Link for the "fiasco" pls?
E: nvm
you cant kick one team then decide "erm,ok this is going to fuck the competition up,let the next 2 teams off" , you made rules, they were there for EVERYONE to see and read, and afaik these rules have been there and adhered to over the last 3-4 years? why change now? cos people now think they can get away with 180 scripts and playing a disproportionate number of players from the one clan? they cant, theres rules, and theyre not really up for discussion. deal with it...
I can slightly see the point with NL being kicked but the Finnish team shouldnt be kicked seing as defix is a 3on3 team and i cant really see how having 5 players from a 3on3 team having much of a difference in a 6on6 but hey!

No though ;D
If Croatia do then yes they should. However the rule is retarded and none of them should be kicked.
Rules are rules.
at least 1 imo :D
No, Croatia shouldn't be kicked either. That rule is retarded.
haha so NL will be kicked because teKoa is at the dNan clanbase link as inactive :D:D he didnt even play a single offi or what ever with us, So you first got to leave all your previous clans ( also if a team is 3 years old ) that doesnt make sense
same with suVi. He was added just for couple of hours.
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thats bs aswell
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flag=hr] only calisto, gmx and myself were active in last years ec, we had permission for frozzen to play ( he was only a member during ec, playing oc with sth ) but we didn't even know that suvi was in the clan for a couple of hours during december ( that's why we got k1cked ) and we forgot to ask for permission
Poland Poland got permission for n00n and naga to play ( both were in k1ck but not playing any offis
Netherlands tekoa didn't play any offis for dnan in ec and he was listed as in inactive

Finland they had 5 players in a 3on3 team

All 3 cases are ridiculous.
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how can others get permissions and others get banned? :D:D:D:D
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cause they asked and the rest didn't...
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what komar said:D
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and 3 of these 5 players didnt play in defix for years, they were just in profile.. how about sweden? almost all players are in disposable's profile?
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we checked almost every suspicious nation. Disposable wasn't active as a team after 29th of september.
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but they played in last oc 3v3?
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shouldn't 'active with the members in question' be more sensible than 'having them on the roster' + 'being active in general'? -,-
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should and is is a big difference.
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useless to discuss about it anymore. it's done now.
It's funny that if "almighty super own high" Slovenia Jaka write an e-mail to the admins they react in a second, but when random player asks about smth they don't even read it.
this is called "life"
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No, it's called CB.
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you are not random :(
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Who told you that bollocks !?
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but.. but.. everybody knows you!
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i just feel bad for croa... Its hard enough for them to get 6 players together to compete at a decent level, that they need to be punished like this?

Couldnt care less for nl and fin though, there are plenty of good fins and nl players out there to choose from, they all know the rule. Any1 saying he never heard of this rule hasnt been around very long.
ah btw change this" max 2 players from other countries can play" rule. Turkey doesnt have 4 players who are living in turkey i couldnt let my team play in nc eventho i prooved all my players are turkish with passports!! =DD
you wont win anything anyway ;)
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its not about winning its about justice :)
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Can't we kick jaki from NC somehow?
voted yes but better solution would be to not kick croatia
Uk in playoffs? :DD
nope, keep them in imo
Free advertising for CB and another retard decision. Imo CB should improve their policy and make there rules more for players and not for the system and this only indicates CB's stupidity as it is known before they can't make proper decision without making a big fuss.

Only solution for this would be that let all those countries, which would ment another big joke and another glim of shame for CB,but ET ain't that big competitive game anymore that we should allow consciously them to deny our best player to play, which obviously is a fatal mistake and it shows CB's inability to admit their own mistakes.

Vote for no, John Adams for president.
It would be much better if CB admins in the future give a WARNING first to clans who broke minor (!!) rules like this instead of immediately kicking them. I'm sure most clans are not aware of breaking those (small) rules.

And it's a bullshit rule which should be scrapped.

It's good tho that not only CRO is punished. It's all 3 of them or no one.
noname's | kick them!
clanbase has extremly dumb rules but if we got kicked - others have to as well so definately yes
too bad for u m8 :(
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Ban 'em all!
Latvia for playoff !!!
To all that say this rule has been there for a long long time. Maybe it was, but it had a different meaning. In the past players were considered as clan members after they played official in a period (e.g. 28september 2008 - 2nd matchweek of nc) but not like this.

BTW. 3 clan members per team also sux. Imagine national teams(football e.g.) that are forbidden to use best players from some club because there is a rule they can use only 5 of them at the same time. In croatian handball, we have had a same coach for our best club and our national team. More than a half played in our national team.

Not to mention that croatia has 8 active et players playing on a decent(skilled) level. (Cortana+danl&drvac)
I blame suVi the sneaky fucker :p
yes rules are rules, ET is much more fun when interesting matches aren't played!
kick them like they kicked team canada
ubi lex non distinguit, nec nos distinguere debemus
No it'll ruin the NC.
finland no, nl only if the literal version of the rules is more important than the reason they're there to begin with.
Canada was kicked for having a merc....hmmmm
no, but rules are rules!
If they kick Croatia....
No, I understand the reasoning behind the rule but it should not be applied so strictly and discretion should be used with individual circumstances. They should of checked the activity of the clans they're supposedly in before making the decision.
Such a sound analysis of the current situation.
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Thats just how I roll, y'know?
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Motivational.
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I look at it before i play ET. It just gets me going , y'know?
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Remove the rule which causes this problem, and invite the teams back in. You will get teams who are starting to boycott Nationscup right now. Clanbase should've had a closer look on the teams, and their line-ups, before making up any decissions.
if im correct, they get kicked because some players dont participate in a clan on clanbase? lol..
Yes, rules are rules.
I just love how the questions in polls are phrased :) You are influencing the results of the polls by asking them in a certain way :)
(:

Do offer your learned phraseology.
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Soz m8, but whenever I see polls on xfire i'm reminded of my old 'enquete' methodology course :DD
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You did a course on surveys / polls?:x
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political and social sciences ftw!
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Interesting areas ^_^ can imagine even more so with your fucked up politics :p

Not my fault if people can’t think for themselves :x
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prolly one of the more interesting course i ever had :) just had to turn the logic around: how to get the most correct / true responses => how to get ppl answering what you want :)

ex:

how many hours do you spend on your pc every day:

30 mins
45 mins
60 mins
90 mins
120 mins

most ppl will pick 60 mins as it looks like the social norm =)

etc etc
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Vote: Yes, I want to see the poll result. (No I don't have an opinion.)
unfortunately rules are rules :X
go change the rules.
-.- whats the reason ..????
"Following the Croatia fiasco, frozz has raised questions of the Netherlands and Finnish teams for this seasons NC. Should the same rules apply, and both favourites be kicked?"

Assuming your intention and after reading some of your topics why would you assume the rules aught to be changed just because it involves favourites breaking the rules? A captain is obliged to know the clan history of each player. The rules are clear and so this whole poll is completely useless.
I think its abit of a crappy rule however the leaders should have known the rule and it's their own fault for getting kicked out.
there is no point in this rule, change it.

clan memberships are not associated to nation's teams memberships imo
OFC YES. We ask for play 4 from 33cl clan @ team-spain and admin say no.

KICK BOTH TEAMS,THX.
well for me they havent been favorite in many seasons now
No, eventhough rules are rules, this is a stupid rule which should have been removed a long time ago.
where's option : i dont care :::::::::::::::UDDDD
Nellie No, change the rules!
I don´t know what this is about, but rules are there to get broken ;]
I hate 2 win by forfiets but thx CRO for letting us qualify :P
forfiets? thats almost my name
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do me kid plz
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jews need to start making sense
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ITS TRANSLATED FROM ENGLISH YOU TARD
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ofc yes.You can breach the rules by being a cheater and get banned, why this breach shouldnt be taken care by punishment.
yes. and since cb didn't let greece play with more than 3ppl from the same clan back when we had an 8ppl community there should be no acceptable exceptions.
don't get it. If it's a rule then why all the commotion? They didn't follow a rule that' been stated somewhere so should be kicked. If there's other teams in the same situation then it's probably CBs fault for not picking up on it earlier as well as the teams who thought thy might slip by.
rules are meant to be broken. DISOBEY THE LAW NAO
they were good only because of foSt
Wow, that are some great names which all of them seem to be forgotten on this website.
It brings back some superb memories. Thanks :)
yes they should be kicked + yes change rules;[
I could understand Croatians breaking the rule, theres only a few skilled ppl in the country, but Finland and NL should - not. Theres hundreds of skilled players in the countries and pickin disallowed one wasnt nice, and its a bit bigego to pick that guy, cuz hes a friend.
rules are rules .
(but what did they do? did the nl team play under the influence of mary jane :) )
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