i heard jogi is taking the wildcard. some players didnt enter the right guid @ FIFA, and one of the admins is from croatia. Braun is also claiming he still should get money from FIFA! xD
i am so dissapointed after first part. Germany playing soooo sooo strange, almost 60 % of all passess arent good, and they loosing so much balls. Hope secind half will be beter, co - coach said they need speedness, so Odonkor will come:P
we still have some chances. Will be funny. Look, what happend if all team will have 6 points? we will win with croatia and Austria, german with Austria. We lose witn Germany, but won with Croatia and Austria. Germany won with us and Austria, but lose against Croatia, and Croatia won with Germany and Austria but lose agains us. So whats then? will be counting goals which we shoot?
I know ur pain, feel same when we lose;)
anyway now will be funny, if we will win with Austria, and mabye with Croatia (coz they got awans in their pockets, so they wont play same with us) and all teams will have 6 points. I hate this, statistic eurocup :/
I know, I don't like such dramatic behaviour as well but like I said, all (well not all, but a whoooole lot imo) do the same, simply to turn things into their favor.
why? i dont like him, but he didnt deserve for red card. Anyway that belgian refree was HORIBBLE. On the end of match, think he even forgot what to do.
I heard they are big chances he will be refreeing final- that will make this invent rly intresting xD
Do us a favour and simply just shut the fuck up about referrees for the length of the tournament, thank you. Sorry for the harsh words, but this is the 3rd post I read from you were you attack the refferee for no reason. He wasn't bad at all. The red card for Schweini was deserved. It may look harsh, but his behaviour doesn't belong on a pitch and De Bleeckere was right in showing him the red card. A good example to give in this case is the Drogba red card in the CL-final (ty rimi).
Furthermore his yellowcard for Modric was most likely wrong, but he was positioned badly and couldn't see it completely. Besides, I didn't see Modric complaining, so he knew something he did was wrong.
So what leaves that to say he was a bad ref? Interrupting the game to much? If you would've just started playing good from the start, you wouldn't had to put all your hopes on the last five minutes and blame the ref for every interruption.
To conclude: I rather have a ref who interrupts the game just a bit too much than a ref who allows clear offside goals and gives penalties as compensation.
the ref won't take part in another game I guess. It's not his fault Germany lost, they simply didn't play well enough, but he still made some very dubious decisions.
The match vs. Australia will be hard, as I guess they will lose against Poland and have nothing to lose.
What ARE you talking about then? I'm not going to say he did a good job, but he certainly did an okay job and there were this EC most certainly worse refs to be seen on the fields (like the on in AUS vs POL).
Germany played like they were exhausted. After the two fortunate goals it was expected that Croatia would just keep nagging laying on the ground, provocing and trying to get the time full without having an actual match. Red card was too harsh, Schweinsteiger got struck from behind and just pushed the dude over as a reaction. Yellow card would've been enough imo.
Well it wasn't the most gentle action, but he just pushed him over. It's not like he hit him or poked him in the eye. In general the referee did okay, but he also destroyed the match by stopping the game for every minor action. Especially in games with Croatians, Portugese and other provocing bastards, you need an English referee who allows players to use their body. Someone who doesn't stop the game for every tumble.
The sad thing is that most so called "top referees" are popular with the UEFA and FIFA because they are extremely strict with the rules and instructions. But that doesn't mean they are that good imo. Look at the muppet-show the referee put on with that one Croation corner, it took 3 minutes before he let them take it and it was just the usual running around and holding each others shirt stuff.
Unexpected outcome tbh. I though Germany was gonna win this but they just didn't play well enough and Croatia played better. The second goal was as lucky as it gets but still a goal non the less. Deserved win & GG
Though a common excuse among players is that they “got the ball,” the mere fact that they did, in fact, contact the ball first does not end the matter. While perhaps not a “tackling” foul, tackles committed carelessly, recklessly, or with excessive force may still constitute the separate fouls of kicking, tripping, charging, or striking. (c)
plz do you have any clue of football.. the tackle he did was a fucking fault, and everyone saying he got the ball he got the ball, yea ofc he had the ball, if i fly like that i'm most likely to have the ball, but the other players leggs will be cut off his body as well (i'm exagerating here just to show you the fact that the ref made a right decision)
More than deserved win for Croatia. They just played smarter and had more will. It's not about to lose, but how we lost is really sad. Although nothing worked and Croatia had a bit luck with scoring at the right time, you have to show that u wanna win and u have to fight until u puke blood. (at least that's how we do it in the kreisliga :D )
That was absolutly missing. It's not meant as an excuse, but the referee was a disaster. The red card is a joke, the oscar goes to Croatia. And he permantly interrupted our game with not understandable decisions.
Nothing happened, we also lost '54, '74 etc a match and still won the cup. Now we will see, whether it's a great team or just a bunch of 'mercenaries'. A great team will make this stronger than ever before...
Maybe according to the rules, but there are 32324832 scenes in a match, where u would need to give a red care, too. If I see the tackling just before the "attack, then there is just no comparativeness.
it wasn't a tackle on the leg, it was a tackle on the ball, I guess you have to be non-german to see it
there were few more tackles like that and they didn't get punished with a yellow card, why? because the ref wasn't positioned well on this one and didn't see it good
I care to disagree, talked to a lot of people yesterday and they all agreed that it was not for a yellow card
and if that was full speed then you have some slow players :XD frings slowed down trying to dribble and modric did a sliding tackle for the ball, there was obviously no intention of going for the players leg but for the ball so yellow card shouldn't have been given
but hey, I don't give a fuck, we won and that's all I'm interested in ;)
- Deserved win for croatia
- Deserved red card (aggression towards other player is simply red card, period)
- Referee clearly never reffed a match in the UK and failed to let the smaller things go by and let the game continue (but this does not only count towards germany, but to croatia as well)
Germany simply missed the will to actually win. There was no team-spirit or mental drive in them, whatsoever.
GG croatia, too bad germany. Next match incomming!! Which could be an exciting ending in this group!
ofcourse he havent reffed a match in the UK, there isnt a connection with UK like Belgium have with the Netherlands (exchange refs etc). He does ref matched in the Champions League and UEFA-cup (he reffed a semi-final). In BE and NL there is a other playstyle, so if he is used to that he cant suddenly change
Referee's have instruction on how to judge situations in a tournament or league. This one simply couldn't anticipate possible advantage situations if he had just let things continue instead of blowing it of for a free-kick. Interupts the game too much and screws with a team's game-pace.
But let one thing be clear, even if it was a bad ref, it's not the reason why germany lost.
he is used to ref international matches so that shouldn't be the problem.. its just the fact that there were a lot of faults that accumulated towards the end of the match causing him to act.. If those actions would not have been following eachother that quickly nobody would be stating a word on the way he acted.
he reffed his match properly imo, germany lost to a better team today.. (unexpected imo)
they constantly tried it with high balls but thats in fact the only thing the croatian defence is really good with.
if they would have tried it with fast passes on the ground and some 1v1s situations there would have been higher chances to actually get close to the goal instead of always playing high balls on ballack and klose(epic failor today) that i think worked once...
so if i see what i think they are doing wrong im not allowed to point it out?
im sry that im also able to criticize the team i cheer for when they are doing something bad imo
if you follow them like a sheep do it but i sometimes think i can also disagree with them
I dont understand the german coaches why Lehmann is the nr. 1
Adler & Enke played the last whole season and lehmann didnt.
was the wrong decision to set lehmann as nr.1
Lehman, Torwartfehler beim 2:0 (andere Meinung egal:P)
Jansen, raus mit dem wird langsam zeit
Schweini, war leider nur bedingt zu sehen, aber rot^^
Gomez, ist Sturm und macht kein konstruktiven Aufbau im Spiel
Fritz, war nicht gut...
klar, dass gerade ihr jetzt wieder die fresse aufreißt..
"kartoffeln.."
typisch türke..
wahrscheinlich noch in deutschland geboren und die deutsche staatsbürgerschaft..
Haha als ob die Türken sich nen deut besser benehmen würden.
Immer auf dicke Hose machen aber sofort 10 Cousins rufen wenn man mal nen bisschen contra gibt.
Armselig...
Und ganz ehrlich, wenn es dir nicht gefällt geh doch woanders hin.
Selbst von Deutschland und vom deutschen System provitieren aber dann über alles und jeden herziehen...
es ist net meine art über andere herzuziehen!....es ist halt überall merkbar, wie sehr die deutschen auf nachteile der ausländer aus sind.zB das EM spiel gegen portugal oder schweiz, der kommentator hat auch gar keine partei ergriffen ;) .... hoffe du stimmts mir da zu, falls du das spiel gesehen hast und eine öffentliche entschuldigung, wäre mehr als angebracht
Wie soll man den dar Partei ergreifen?
Die Türkei hat einmal verdient verloren und einmal unverdient gewonnen...
Ich habe beide Spiele gesehen und mir ist nichts unnormales bei den Kommentatoren aufgefallen, die waren, wie sonst auch im free-tv ziemlich mies aber nicht auffallend parteiisch.
Aber mittlerweile wird natürlich alles was nicht hundertprozent mit den Wünschen von "Ausländern" zusammenpasst sofort als fremdenfeindlich angesehen und man wird als Rassist verschrien und das obwohl das Verhalten von diesen sog "Ausländern" noch nie mit dem Verhalten eines anständigen "Gastes" zusammengepasst hat.
Und in Deutschland werden bis jetzt noch keine Menschen so unterdrückt wie es in der Türkei teilweise üblich ist.
Übrigens dieses ganze "Ausländer" getue halt ich für Schwachsinn.
Sobald man den deutschen Pass hat ist mein kein Ausländer mehr, jedoch sollte man den Pass, denke ich, nur bekommen wenn man wenigstens die Sprache beherrscht und versucht sich ein wenig anzupassen.
Manchmal denke ich sowohl die Deutschen als auch die "Ausländer" sind vollkommen paranoid.
but
- deserved loss, we played really bad this game, maybe this was necessary to "wake up".
- red card was justified.
- odonkor shouldn't have played / be in germans ec-team, everything he can do well is running... and especially putting a player like that in defense = epic fail
- jansen shouldn't have played, friedrich should play instead...
- i wouldn't take in kuranyi either in this situation, rather hitzelsperger or someone else.
Croatia vs 
Germany.
Go
either d-land or schland or Deutschland. NOT DSCHLAND
btw: can you put language tags for the countries of zeh topic, ty^^
iz bash
SUPAA DEUTSCHLAND OLE SUPA DEUTSCHLAND OLE SUPA DEUTSCHLAND OLE!
check the mickie krause song :D
Klasnic almost fked everything up against Austria.
ger 3 - 1 cro
2-0
poldi
ballack & poldi
2 x klose
2 x polski
1 x ballack
1 x gomez
1 x Frings or a selfgoal, not sure yet.
;D go play fm xD
i bet 3:1 result.
2x klose
1x ballack
1x podolski
der manschaft will make two goals in minute 83 en 91
anyway now will be funny, if we will win with Austria, and mabye with Croatia (coz they got awans in their pockets, so they wont play same with us) and all teams will have 6 points. I hate this, statistic eurocup :/
but your statistic would be nice indeed. :)
Schweinsteiger was way in the wrong to do that, so a deserved red card.
I heard they are big chances he will be refreeing final- that will make this invent rly intresting xD
Furthermore his yellowcard for Modric was most likely wrong, but he was positioned badly and couldn't see it completely. Besides, I didn't see Modric complaining, so he knew something he did was wrong.
So what leaves that to say he was a bad ref? Interrupting the game to much? If you would've just started playing good from the start, you wouldn't had to put all your hopes on the last five minutes and blame the ref for every interruption.
To conclude: I rather have a ref who interrupts the game just a bit too much than a ref who allows clear offside goals and gives penalties as compensation.
Cya
and i heard he can be refree on the final :/
Anyway refree was rly bad.
ref was bad but not the reason for germany to loose
Find something else to ventilate your frustrations upon.
What ya doing this weekend?
n u?
The match vs.
But the referee (Frank DeBleeckere) is one of the top5 referees in Europe, he isnt that bad ^^. Everyone has a bad day once.
and at all the whiners, the ref didnt do anything wrong. He shouldnt have pushed = red card, the one who did the tackle got yellow.
flying tackles don't belong on a football pitch whether he played ball or not
and no i don't defend frankske cuz he's belgian
but hey, I don't give a fuck, we won and that's all I'm interested in ;)
That was absolutly missing. It's not meant as an excuse, but the referee was a disaster. The red card is a joke, the oscar goes to Croatia. And he permantly interrupted our game with not understandable decisions.
Nothing happened, we also lost '54, '74 etc a match and still won the cup. Now we will see, whether it's a great team or just a bunch of 'mercenaries'. A great team will make this stronger than ever before...
My heart is bleeding...
there were few more tackles like that and they didn't get punished with a yellow card, why? because the ref wasn't positioned well on this one and didn't see it good
Just read the rules...
and if that was full speed then you have some slow players :XD frings slowed down trying to dribble and modric did a sliding tackle for the ball, there was obviously no intention of going for the players leg but for the ball so yellow card shouldn't have been given
but hey, I don't give a fuck, we won and that's all I'm interested in ;)
Like it's the referees fault they lost the game :D
- Deserved red card (aggression towards other player is simply red card, period)
- Referee clearly never reffed a match in the UK and failed to let the smaller things go by and let the game continue (but this does not only count towards germany, but to croatia as well)
Germany simply missed the will to actually win. There was no team-spirit or mental drive in them, whatsoever.
GG croatia, too bad germany. Next match incomming!! Which could be an exciting ending in this group!
But let one thing be clear, even if it was a bad ref, it's not the reason why germany lost.
and i don't even care if germany lost, dont like their style
he reffed his match properly imo, germany lost to a better team today.. (unexpected imo)
and i'm german...
i not that sad coz im sure we gonna win against Austria and go into the next round coz Cro will win against PL (sry for you) :)
sup in Ger? =))
but thanks for ur opinion:P
you come to cdc5?
idk if i can drive myself :P
Can't really see why are you whining about SCHEWINsteiger's red card...it was ok, maybe a bit 2 harsh, but he is an arrogant prick anyway.
the red card was totally deserved.
shitty ref, but even more shitty german game...FUCK
if they would have tried it with fast passes on the ground and some 1v1s situations there would have been higher chances to actually get close to the goal instead of always playing high balls on ballack and klose(epic failor today) that i think worked once...
im sry that im also able to criticize the team i cheer for when they are doing something bad imo
if you follow them like a sheep do it but i sometimes think i can also disagree with them
Adler & Enke played the last whole season and lehmann didnt.
was the wrong decision to set lehmann as nr.1
so i would say after the match vs aut germanys Main-"lineup" should be:
GOALKEAPER:
Lehmann, Jens
DEFENCE:
Lahm, Philipp
Metzelder, Christoph
Friedrich, Arne
Jansen, Marcell
MIDDLE:
Fritz, Clemens
Neuville, Oliver
Schweinsteiger, Bastian
Gomez, Mario
OFFENCE:
Klose, Miroslav
Podolski, Lukas
Jansen, raus mit dem wird langsam zeit
Schweini, war leider nur bedingt zu sehen, aber rot^^
Gomez, ist Sturm und macht kein konstruktiven Aufbau im Spiel
Fritz, war nicht gut...
even when its 2 late:
Goal:
Hildebrand, Timo
Def:
Lahm, Mertesacker, Metzelder, Friedrich
Mid:
Odonkor/Borowski (schweini), Ballack, Frings, Trochowski/Podolski
ATT:
Klose, Gomez
every player is very naiz
they got good and bad days, as team,
today it was mad, but they like pressure..
so np ;=)
rofl
"kartoffeln.."
typisch türke..
wahrscheinlich noch in deutschland geboren und die deutsche staatsbürgerschaft..
Dann schau mal manche Landsmänner von dir an. :)
Immer auf dicke Hose machen aber sofort 10 Cousins rufen wenn man mal nen bisschen contra gibt.
Armselig...
Und ganz ehrlich, wenn es dir nicht gefällt geh doch woanders hin.
Selbst von Deutschland und vom deutschen System provitieren aber dann über alles und jeden herziehen...
Die Türkei hat einmal verdient verloren und einmal unverdient gewonnen...
Ich habe beide Spiele gesehen und mir ist nichts unnormales bei den Kommentatoren aufgefallen, die waren, wie sonst auch im free-tv ziemlich mies aber nicht auffallend parteiisch.
Aber mittlerweile wird natürlich alles was nicht hundertprozent mit den Wünschen von "Ausländern" zusammenpasst sofort als fremdenfeindlich angesehen und man wird als Rassist verschrien und das obwohl das Verhalten von diesen sog "Ausländern" noch nie mit dem Verhalten eines anständigen "Gastes" zusammengepasst hat.
Und in Deutschland werden bis jetzt noch keine Menschen so unterdrückt wie es in der Türkei teilweise üblich ist.
Übrigens dieses ganze "Ausländer" getue halt ich für Schwachsinn.
Sobald man den deutschen Pass hat ist mein kein Ausländer mehr, jedoch sollte man den Pass, denke ich, nur bekommen wenn man wenigstens die Sprache beherrscht und versucht sich ein wenig anzupassen.
Manchmal denke ich sowohl die Deutschen als auch die "Ausländer" sind vollkommen paranoid.
damit stimme ich mit dir überein.
".......jedoch sollte man den Pass, denke ich, nur bekommen wenn man wenigstens die Sprache beherrscht und versucht sich ein wenig anzupassen."
das tue ich jawohl ;)
das tue ich jawohl ;)
Merkt man, aber viele tuens eben nich:P
but
- deserved loss, we played really bad this game, maybe this was necessary to "wake up".
- red card was justified.
- odonkor shouldn't have played / be in germans ec-team, everything he can do well is running... and especially putting a player like that in defense = epic fail
- jansen shouldn't have played, friedrich should play instead...
- i wouldn't take in kuranyi either in this situation, rather hitzelsperger or someone else.