socks - wallhacking?

Hey Guys,

a friend (socks aka spirAcy) got a ban on clanbase with reason "Wallhack".

Clanbase Account: http://clanbase.ggl.com/humaninfo.php?hid=3017574&suspend=1
Crossfire Account: http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=user&mode=view&id=15549
Yawn: http://www.yawn.be/findPlayer.yawn?gamecode=ET&etproGuid=75DB1CC96956C2C1A95CDF40DB8D48F55DCF1A01
Original Demos: http://www.team-aow.de/downloads/files_et/records/2008-09-24/3on3cup/spirAcydemos.rar

I think this ban isnt justified. He recieved a ban for preshooting on braundorf at most used camping places.

I did some little avi´s where u can see him preshooting:

http://www.team-aow.de/downloads/aowmember/coldice/bust/socks.rar

My opinion to that:

Avi 4
you can hear him clearly. Maybe in the Avi the sound is fucked up a little bit. But if you want, you can download the demos of the match on the top of the post ;)

Avi 5
When he passed the corner to the Bunker Controls, you can hear the medic walking the last stair up to the controls.


Now we come to the other avis, if he realy have a wallhack why...

Avi 1
is he throwing the nade up if he even see him jumping down?

Avi 2
is he throwing the nade up too, if he see all 3 guys are down?

Avi 3
is he preshooting so bad if he clearly see the guy trough the tree?

We already wrote an email to the CB C&A Crew but no responding til yet. But we asked some guys of the "CB ET Demo Crew" (dont know if they are still existing) and here are some statements (not exactly to those avis i made, but to the whole demo):

perfo

i dont think spiracy is a cheater, because he doesnt have a weird playing style like for example gnajda (he's not trying to conceal anything by playing stupid on purpose, such as knowing someone is there but just passing by (this is what wallhackers would do sometimes, to hide their cheats 'even better')). the parts where he coincidentially hits a wall with a player behind are countable on one hand, such cases can occur even in the cleanest demos.

edit:
i have to say most people wouldnt preshoot like he does (you try to catch hitboxes on leanspots like he does in 4, but aim for the hitbox not for the wall) but he's not a second coming of trivium boys

santje

About the demo, you see that you are preshooting in some corners but it are random places were the axis always hide and I saw defintley that it was not wallhack or anykind of other hack. Ofcourse you made look yourself obvious by preshooting in the corners but I saw that you weren't cheating there 100%


From what I saw is that the avi was useless since everyone can make those 'obvious' actions. ( It was the avi of supply upstairs right? ) With some comms + knowledge you could know he went there + everyone preshoots sometimes. So I would say clearly no cheat. And I remember you also could hear him? Not sure about that. (That statement is to an older avi of spiracy but i dont find it anymore =/)

modus
So I had a look at the demos and I must say, I had a good laugh :D
This guy is so obviously wallhacking, I can't believe that he thinks that I won't notice it.
Anyways, keep him banned

Bulld0g
I watched it and there were many odd occasions on the 1st attack. I even turned my headset up. It looks bad and not possible to overturn imo.

2.38left on attack BD4 is worst you run out from spawn there is no noise, and you stop?, crouch and aim?. Then people appear. Looking at it on r_shownormals 1. It clearly looks like a wh, even though it may not be it look like you stopped to wait for them.

Also on attack you get a nade out and seem to look up as you run and put it away and see no one then carry on to bunker and this time perfect nade right onto enemy. You over pre-shoot like your trying to hide something so you can say i always preshoot and shoot randomly.

It may all be random but if you looking for hax you can certainly find stuff that looks like one. I doubt the case will be overturned.

HellHammer
At 3 4 and 5, personally I preshoot there all the time, sometimes i hit sometimes i dont. The problem with demos and avis is that you cant really prove someone is cheating. I cant really form an opinion about someone being a cheater unless i really hate the guy, and thats what this is about, and even i accuse someone of cheating just because i dont like him because hes getting on my nerves on chat or killing me all the time.

riseee
I watched the demo already some months ago

1) i have never seen anyone preshooting that much but...
2) he was preshooting 90% of the times, but also when there was noone behind the wall, he sometimes wasted half his ammo for nothing. sometimes he was lucky ofc but sometimes not

I wouldn't have banned for it.

frogg
I know that u wouldn´t take my commends to your statements but i have to say it.

Avi1: Who cant hear him walking there upstairs? I mean i got a crappy shit headset for 5€ and i can hear him too. So what is obivous on it?? I mean even if he cant hear him, there are m8´s on vent/ts witch can also call him that he is up, then he throwed a good luck nade upstairs. And at the end u can clearly hear that he is jumping down to the controls.

Avi2: I rly cant see a obivous action there. He tracked lucky on the enemys and then he throwed a normal nade upstairs. Normaly u can get everytime 1 man with the nade.

Avi3: Oke hes preeshoting to the guy up. But its the same crapy shit as in avi1. If u play in a war u got m8´s on ts/vent and they can say him that there is someone upper. And at the second action, where he is preeshooting down to the left. That isn obivous or wh. I know mutch guys that does it too.

And at 4 and 5 i just can agree to HellHammer. It rly dont care if u lose all of the ammo there. The mission is that u get down the enemys and the engi can go for the plant. This preeshots on this parts doesnt say anything.

cb CANT ban someone for obivous preeshooting.
i think he is clear.
sry for my english.

duKe
Statement: To be honest, i cant find some "real" proofes there. I mean, its anyway hard to catch someone with a Demo, but on the most situations i dont see anything really wired. Its just strange that he preshot that much and that let me think that he try to hide something. So overall i would say, the most situations can be happen to 90% of the Gamers out there and the avis dont show anything real. So i wont bust someone with these Demos

slajdan
now let see...
1. nothing weird
2. nothing weird (wat?)
3. looks fishy but nothing special realy, packing sound
4. nothing weird, poor strafing and aiming
5. weird, seemed to just notice that there came another guy from side

nothing of that should be even used as co-evidence for a ban tbh.

cRz
just the last avi is a bit wired but to be honest thats defiantly not ban wothy.
The demos proof nothing because you simply can't judge by demos only. you also need to know what his mates are telling during a match and there is also the possibility that he made some experience (like in every match is someone standing behind this wall...) thats also possible (it s the same as i do).
So i would defiantly unban him!

lAHQ
From what I've seen from the avis, his actions weren't that special. He's overdoing the preshooting though, which makes it look fishy, since hes not going for the corners as perfo said. Maybe he should provide us with some more demos from that time to see if he's a real preshooter or just a dumb wallhacker. Considering with who he played I wouldn't be suprised. Nevermind the only strage avi is Nr. 4, since he couldn't know that the guy was about to throw a nade. All in all not banworthy or atleast a 1 year ban wasn't justified at all.

So im pleased if some of you would take it "serious" and post some statements (and maybe watch the whole demo).

greez coLdicE


ps. my english isnt that good :>