Why dies the game?
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28 Jul 2011, 17:09
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eujen, 
kResti and me just got in talk yesterday. We asked ourself why this game dies out. At first we watched at the community. Every journal we checked we saw flame, trolling and kiddy comments. A great example is
Robacieks journal. These guys just revived the 3on3 cb ladder. We all enjoyed many matches of them and ofc the other teams who got attracted. We had also 3on3 offis with more than 300 viewers and many guys enjoyed it. Now there are some guys who tell them nerds or whatever. But these guys did an important thing to revive a big part in et.Another point we found out is the admin section. And with admin section I don't only mean the cf admins or cb or esl admins. I also mean the gtv admins. I really respect the work h3ll skooli Msh100 and co. are doing there, but the point which we flame is the acception part. Everybody knows if he isn't an Trustee or what ever and is requestiing a match there that admins like
Robaciek are finding allways a simple mistake why they can't open the match. Is it the time or 1 player who got written wrong or got a wrong flag or what ever. Ofc this annoys the community and ofc this holds them away fro mrequesting another match on gtv or even playing an offi. Admins like
Robaciek just think tehy are something better in this community cause they got abit more adminpower. But this is totally wrong. They should also respect the other guys and help them and not just looking for mistakes and making eveybody mad.Another big problem is the groupbuildings. We found out that there are some different groups. At first the group who plays et to earn some money (playing "ET" to earn some money, WAT?), the 2nd group is the group of high experienced players who are rly that skill and respects also the lower player. The 3rd group is the group with high player who thinks they are something better than the lower groups... Hopefully you see what I mean.
To get this game alive we should respect us more and help each other. To see sometimes a good troll or some nice jokes or what ever is ofc a part which should be in every community, but here it is allrdy a normal thing and thats too much I think.
This journal is not written to change anybody or the community. This journal is just about the feelings kresti eujen and me have. There are ofc some other problems like the EC final which should be played 2 months ago allrdy. and so on ......
cheers (sry for my english :*)
... sounds like a real problem, but I've really never experienced that. As far as I remember, I've never seen a match being not broadcasted because of an incorrect lineup. The lineups are not even required! If that has happened, then yes, it's a blatant admin error.
... I don't get what you're wanting to say here. Some players are better than others? Thanks for the info.
... This is gay but not false
2/10
I agreed on the respect part. I agree he's perfectly right.
I think that not true like trl map competition is showing.
Also the mods. There are many new like chaos, silent, hideNseek and some other small mods.
However et isn't death, neither it dies in my opinion.
But I really doubt u can reach a highskill on the game, coz that is actually not that easy.
"med" skillers too much ego.
"ET is too easy and it got boring playing the same people over and over again" --> I dont think youre the right person to judge ;)
i dont even..
Working cast servers for me = more shoutcasts
More 5v5 between top teams = more viewers
More guys like
:))))))))
ET is in the best spot it has been for a long time, but the community just needs to catch up a bit, its still in a different timezone seemingly the one where it feels sorry for itself and bitches about anything and everything including things to improve the game / scene.
There are however some good points in all those posts about how to revive ET, just noone with a somewhat decent reputation or function on Cf to start actually doing something ( a STCK and finding a crew willing to invest some time and collect ideas there would be good first step).
may be called a nerd
Hop on
thanks frop :D
I dont know a bigger retard as this retard Roba is.
e: is het niet why does this game die
:PpPP
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=journal&mode=item&id=131340#comment2932399
hummel makes a point there
there are only a few teams which are playing 5on5 cb ladder or 3on3 and this teams which enjoy this game cant get 1st in the ladder because of this rule
an easy improvement could be to let the first place to get points too
so everybody could get 1st place even if the 1st and 2nd wont play anymore
the new teams could get 1st or 2nd because of the points they are geting for wining vs 3rd 4th or 5th ...
same for cf you are thinking so much that you forgot what is important
like urtier wrote in the past
where is this download link where you can get et ????
you add so nice stuf like cheater/site filters ... but no link where you can get et
....
the small stuf is sometimes more important then everthing els
Opposite to the word trivia
agree with you stray
Personally, I can't stand the idea of more people joining this community until it sorts its self out. The idea of people coming here, reading all these "troll" comments, thinking it's the "cool" thing to do, and joining in pretty much repulses me.. That's the last thing we need. Makes it even harder for admins to do something about it, because there are so many people who post things just to look for an argument....
And for gods sake, can people PLEASE leave peoples personal lifes out of discussions. Who cares if someone plays ET all day, or goes out for a drink at the weekend? We were all brought here by the same game, and we are all still using this website because of that game...
Rant over, I would love to see ET blossom again, but as it stands, the community is the main thing letting it down.
Competition with money prize(OC) = motivation for lowbobs
Moneyz makes you play the game!
<eicher> <+NE`oizaL> but do doublecheck on his actions, not 1st time he does it
<eicher> when was the last time ?
<NE`oizaL> ages ago
<eicher> get a life
<NE`oizaL> tried it
<NE`oizaL> wasn't good for me
In response to your second paragraph I would say that gtv is doing good job, eventhought I would welcome some match filtering. Its nice to see many matches, it definatelly creates an illusion of ET being more alive, but since gtv is accepting basically every match, sometimes its hard to get a track of whats important and whats not. I miss those times when playing on ETTV meant something, when it was a privilege, only the best teams could be seen there in regular basis, others had to work for that. Now we can see gtv being flooded by unattractive, low and meaninless games which hardly get 3 viewers. This game needs more respectfull competitions/tournaments not games on gtv. But I have to agree with you in one thing, Robaciek is a retard :)
To the rest, there have always been groups and they are always gonna be there. Human society works like that since like forever. Its the way it is and I dont see why should it change. I personally respect lower players but I dont see a reason why should I help anybody I dont know. Fortunatelly I am not a leader type, so it was never my responsibility to directly reject players trying to get into some of teams I played in. But there are many retards/egos I would have no problem to say "fuck off" to :) Actually in past few years, many players went inactive and thats also some kind of help, their leaving allowed other players to join "high society" (well, I personally dont like the look of modern so called high players, because most of 'em are just heavy aimers dumb as bricks, but (un)fortunatelly current game format allows them to shine).
You have act in the past like a 12 year old kid,i remember some mates telling me "There are just stupid kiddies like stray &co out there ET dont make fun when the Community just can flame and talk bullshit."
Playing 3on3 ladders isnt reviving the game, but hopefully it may convince CB and maybe ESL to invest more time/support/money into the game, but judging by their recent radio broadcasts - they are progressing more to the fun side/console side of gaming rather than a competitive league. It is good to see the increase in interest in teams playing matches though.
In any community you will find that most "top" players dont actually get involved in community related issues. It is unlikely that you will see the likes of Nait sqzz mAus XyLoS etc posting in this section or any at all. Now if you know these guys then you will know that they arent arrogant and they will spend time answering ppl or helping in general. This happens throughout every game, its rare to see a top player interact with the community.
With regards to robaciek, at times he can be helpful etc but there are times when he can be a complete tool.
1. Idiot admins forced 5on5*, I think 70% of the community finds 5on5 boring after so many years in 6on6. Players who are keep saying that 5on5 is better than 6on6 ARE(WERE) to stupid to get the gameplay of 6on6.Just look at what kind of names came up to the so called "highskilled scene" since 5on5, I seriously have to laugh when I see players chry,ross,jinosta etc. playing on highlevel, meanwhile 2-3 years ago I was 15 times better than any of them. It's not like I was such a good player or something, they didn't boost their skills at all, it's just 5on5 makes them look like a decent players, because in 6on6 you have to move with the flow and that's what most of the players couldn't do. That's why ET was a special game and it was over any FPS games. 5on5 made ET boring.
2. It's not getting new, people are trying to come up with mapmaking competitions and stuff, but all you can see is fuck yeah 5 new maps and they are not used anywhere, literally. New maps could save ET somehow indeed, but they should be used then.
3. It's a free game, ET has no propaganda at all. Where is the "GET ET" button from this site, or GTV, but I could go on and on.
1. wtf hahaha ur just a ego rambo medic who cannot into 5o5 srsly
btw players getting better after time
I never said I was good, I said I was better than they were and they didn't develope anything since than, tho I don't play for like a half year or so, maybe a year in serious.
Played like 10games in the past half year againts these made up superstars and seriously they don't fit next to names like other real highskillers.
but anyway there aren't enough real highskillers in the scene so they have to take some weaker ones
I said that 6on6 was ET, 5on5 is a crippled version of the game where anybody can be a hyped player by the community.
but I also remember you writing this:
wouldn't be surprised if you're not trolling because you seem like one of those types who really would believe 6 aimers @ 1 team = domination 8d
and still i would be funny to see these 6 aimmonsters in one team :) or not?8D
6 guys trying to say the same position x'd
Sorry, but where did you get this from? Because I made a loads of fragmovies? lmfao.
If you really want to know I've always been an objective minded player, feel free to ask any of my teammates. The only thing I had is a good balance of aim and understanding the gameplay (e.g. I always knew what's going on the map). And I am not saying like I was a superb player or something, but most of the hungarians considered me as hungary's best player and not only aim wise, okay the scence was small, but the time I played serious was a very small term and it was with huge breaks. The fragmovies you've probably seen are mostly made from hungarian late night mixes. Watch my old replays on GTV, mostly from team-hungary and gigabyte/underscore. Those were the only times I played serious.
I made some search to prove myself before you reply with offensive comments.
Ok, these don't prove anything, but I really doubt you know anything about me or how the game is played. Sorry.
So once again, watch my replays before you call a noob.
once again: it's not meant as an insult I just don't understand why you think those smg engi's don't belong in a top team. they're smart and pull off important things for their team that lead to matches being won.
this game isnt dead
It is what it is
Try not to be so negative and give building criticism.. Every point you just made has already been said by atleast 5 fellow Crossfirians (I agree on the mapissue though)
If I recall correctly you don't even play ET anymore, so what does this help you ? (I can be wrong on this though ;o)
I can't make my own points if I don't play the game or what? I don't get your logic.
The 6on6 gameplay is what made ET special, and it's dying because of 5on5.
FACT.
5on5 killed et in my humble opinion, because it lacks major teamplay experience for which we all loved this game
Next time read twice what I write and count to 10 before the reply button, thanks.
Like I wrote before, I've played againts them in the past months and I can tell you, if this is highskill then you can cheer for me too, even if I am inactive.
e: #2 It's weird people whining about new maps when half of crossfire community never played e.g. erdenberg which is a great map and on the cb mappool
For me the change from 6on6 to 5on5 was the reason to quit competitive, i tried it but it doesn't come near 6on6. I just want to rush sometimes with my panzer again, that is not an option in 5on5. 6on6 was just more fun to play, since you could take more risk. And i think 99% of the people playing this game, play it for fun.
save et.
simples.
2) the way the german community changed
3) the way crossfire changed
this whole writing about "revive et" is just a desperate try to save what cant be saved anymore.
lets face it: et got older and older...and fuck yes, now it is just OLD. damn old.
it was a nice game but now there's just nothing left to save...and i think some people that are to ignorant to see that or they are just too scared to try any other games that are still alive.
and yeah, how many games have died before? its just a matter of time! delaying the death of et wont be any help.
et is/was a good game, yes. but come on...there are other good games out there, even if you will state the argument now that there isnt any other game comparable to et's style...i'd still agree with you on that and ONLY on that.
even your pets or smth die after several years, even if you enjoyed their presence an playing with them...but well, its the circle of life.
things come and go.
2. et on steam, its free anyway
3. 6o6
2nd : We are in summer.
3rd : Cheats killed the game
4th : But it still an awesome game so some player still playing.
Just to give everyone my view of todays ET and to argument the examples (hopefully so we can TOGETHER refine things) on what you just wrote stRay, I'm thinking...
What we all tend to do is to get over carried with our plans and efforts in the ET scene. Just to clarify with what I mean is the example of getting the 3on3 cb ladder "revived" or in other words more active again. One point of a problem is to see this as a progression rather than a 2 weeks conclusion period and then end it there, perhaps to move on with something else you might have had in mind. By this I'm also referring it to new clans/projects, those who organise tournaments and such, and perhaps everything else in life! My point is, of course, preferably to have things planned out from start to finish, but more importantly not to stop with what you have progressed with! A lot of us give up too easily. Second difficulty we almost all have is the load of crap which we type in. Who gives a damn if you credit a team or a bunch of people? Sure it's worth to do it if it's worth remembering. Of course there are shout outs which I also personally think is fun. But what good does it make for the majority who is reading? Stop it and get on with your point instead, put your advertisements and novels else where! With progressions in a long term we usually monitor it. Once things are settled, that is the time we can confirm that things are back and flowing again (repeat: not after 2 or a few weeks only). Third thing which needs to be brought up is that there needs to be a lot more giving than taking mostly for people to be motivated and perhaps more players to start playing again. This is pretty much what stRay meant with giving more respect to others. Sure, as stRay and co. mentioned about the group-buildings being all scattered, different and such. Why not make something different to merge these people together? The etgather channel was one way of making things equal and sharing. As I now live in Australia, ET is pretty much in the same status as in Europe and America getting some sparks of being revived. What's being done here in Australia is a tournament that is being held for both novice and more experienced clans where both divisions separately have the chance to win or earn their price money in different ways (Ex. winner team and MVP). These are just some examples which we could perhaps use (again) and to be inspired to think out of the box a little with a result of more motivation.
As stRay referred towards the mistreated admin duties, they (the admin) should either read the critics accurately or they might as well hand over the job to some one else that follows (if there are any?) a truce towards a head admin and its policy. If I were to criticise on my own opinion, 2010/2011 has been the worst performance overall by the admins since ET was first launched.
Yet again, kudos to sRray, eujen and kResti for brining this topic up :)... All this typing was just great for me to improve in English :DD.
I have to end it from here... sleepy time, xoxo ^^
Thousands of players are having fun at their jaymod/NQ servers. Of course a lot of them are not interested in playing competitively at all but there are many of them that are interested in playing in competitions, ladders and leagues. I would have no idea how they would be introduced to this concept other than friends/online mates that already know about it. It's just that there are so few people left that play on the border of competitive and casual ET.
I started playing ET years ago on some random servers. I started looking for a good server that I could play in regularly so I wouldn't have to look for a decent server every time I wanted to play. Joined the clan later. After a while I found out I out-skilled most of the players so I started looking for a new clan. This one had some people in it that played etpro. That's where it all started. Playing in public ETpro servers more than in our own clan server together with my cousin and moving to .6b later with some more people.
I don't there are many people left that play etpro at 'low' levels. A link between casual and competitive ET is missing. Of course we also can not ignore the sheer fact that there are almost no new ET players other than those who are already into competitive gaming or were introduced by friends.
The community might also be the thing killing the game. In games like CoD 4 were most of the community is friendly and a larger part is professional it takes skill to get reputation while here on crossfire plain ass licking and spamming can get you up the ranks.
The simplest things to say is the following. The game is old and less and less players play every day simply because there are 'better', and especially 'newer' games out there.
not every 3on3 has to be on GTV because you need the attention.
Just play the official because of the offical and the ladderpoints&-rank, but not because of the 5 Viewers you get at 3AM.
P.S. I killed ET
lets go everyone PLAY ET !!!
2. you cannot simply "revive" a game without getting new players. RTCW was released 2001 if i am correct. like many i was going to school at that time, but that's 10 years from now. that whole "summer" thing might count for some people, but most guys just grew old. i tried to get back into playing from time to time, but always fail due to the lack of spare time.
3. 3on3 is so NOT ET, even with DMD or TWK and the likes i never saw the appeal of watching such games.
First of all it's summer, so of course it feels like nobody is playing. People are enjoying their holidays and having fun.
About the "community being shit".. Have you ever seen any other game communities? They're just as shit or worse. That is MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE REASON. Actually from time to time I think our community is pretty good. Yes, there are shit heads such as Robaciek but just ignore them or keep flaming like we all do.
Everything else is just stupid. I've never had any problems with gamestv and admins are doing generally pretty good. imo.
More skilled players thinks they're better than the low/med skilled.. Umm, they are? What's your point? If what you meant was that they're acting arrogant; some of the lower skilled players are as well, just ignore them, there aren't too many. Or if there are I fail to spot them.
TL;DR ET is dying, deal with it. For a ten year old game we're doing pretty good.
Someone says : let's grow up, stop the troll, welcome the people willing to get better than low, some people say : yea, sounds good, but the majority of the people down here just does not give a fuck and keeps flaming, not helping, trolling around, etc. Other games have its retards too, okay, but it's less important than here, where the same retards have to revive a game/welcome fresh meat. Just can't be done :/
Anybody can play anything on gtv, there's no entry hurdle. This leads to a massive spam of matches with many of them pretty low and boring. From a technical standpoint we don't care, we can broadcast 50 matches at the same time if need be, but we don't want to.
The only thing you need to do to get your match broadcasted on GamesTV: fill out those damn match details correctly and in their entirety. It's not that hard, 90% of all requestees manage to do it.
1) It's good for our visitors because they know exactly what they get
2) It shows that you care about being broadcasted on ETTV.
Many people just slap their match on gtv so they can grab a free matchserver because they're too cheap to lay down those 6-8€ per month.
Also, we can afford it. Most people manage to do it, so we can reject the ones who don't and still have a crowded schedule (which consists of matches with accurate info)