BFB Grand Final Over!
Grand Final!
Queens win by forfeit.
Due to time constraints the final had to be played by this Wednesday and all the involved teams were aware of this. Despite being frequently informed of the schedule Anexis were unable to field a line-up either tonight or tomorrow. Queens have reluctantly agreed to take the forfeit and are willing to play against Anexis on another date for the GTV audience.
As someone who has put so many hours into Battle For Berlin, I find this outcome very disappointing on a personal level, but myself and the rest of the admin team were left with no other choice.
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Original newspost
The Grand Final of the Battle For Berlin is tonight! After 29 great games, we are left with only one. The first and third seeds respectively will do battle to determine who takes home the prestigious Place and who is Runner-up. Anexis vs. Queens starts at the slightly later time of 22.00 CET. The game will be covered here on Crossfire.nu and being shoutcast live by TosspoT & QuadV. As Queens are coming from the Loser Bracket, they will need to beat Anexis twice to take the overall victory.
Anexis
R0SS
Night
Squall
sqzz
mAus
XyLoS
Queens
razz
Clown
kot
miNd
perfo
NuggaN
The #1 seed will meet the #3 seed in the Battle For Berlin Grand Final. Anexis stuttered against MouseControl but recovered superbly to come through a tough test against an impressive G2P side. Aside from on missile, Anexis were dominant in their victory - making supply look easy and holding radar quite comfortably. Will we see the un-organised Anexis from the semi-final, or the well-oiled machine from last night?
Queens upped their game last night and surprised many (myself included) when they brushed passed G2P in the Loser Bracket Final. They come into the Grand Final as underdogs but that won't bother them one bit. They undoubtedly have the potential to take the Gold and how competitive this game is rests solely on their shoulders. If miNd, razz and perfo show the same form that they were in last night then we could be set for a very long game.
There isn't a bad player in this final with all 12 players boasting a top pedigree and an ET career full of pocals. So where will this game be won and lost? In my opinion a lot will come down to the map choices - Queens will have to be shrewd with their picks as I feel that when Anexis are on form they are near unstoppable on supply and who in their right miNd would pick goldrush against Night? With the potential for all 6 maps tonight there is no doubt in my mind that the best team will win the Battle For Berlin - the cream always rises to the top!
Players to watch:
Night from Anexis - The Estonian legend's performances have been sub-par so far this tournament but how can you watch anyone else going into a match of this magnitude? No-one else has decided so many important games as he has, and if you're too busy watching mAus shoot headshots, you might well miss Night winning the game.
miNd from Queens - The Finnish rifle was in outstanding form against G2P last night, totalling 93 kills while nobody else on his team had more than 53. That tells you all you need to know, doesn't it?
Predictions:[/u]
Baggiez
My prediction for last night couldn't have been more wrong, so I'll make up for it tonight by correctly predicting the outcome. Queens will take the first map, then come close to winning the second, but will lose it. Anexis will dominate the deciding map and win BFB.
TosspoT
Anexis had an important win last night, the confidence that will bring should be enough to see them through. Queens played well against G2P last night and have improved as the tournament has gone on, but I don't feel it'll be enough to beat the #1 Seeds
Sample
Anexis looks stronger on the paper but their last performance didn't impress me. If they have a bad day they could lose. Hope it will be a really tight 3 maps game. Final score 4-2 to Anexis if they don't fuck up everything.
stRay
Should be an 4-0 or 4-2 for Anexis on paper. But at all I'm sure Queens wont give an easy win away! They will try to win it. If razz & nuggan pwn it could be a 4-2 in the first game, but Anexis will definitely win the 2nd game then! GL-HF both!
owzo
Queens to win 4-2 unless Anexis prac a bit. It seems like Queens have finally gotten their act together by smashing g2p to Brazil and back and now with perfo finally playing well they should have a chance of winning. Queens' victory rests largely on NuggaN playing well.
Gifted
Amazing names, amazing teams. Looking at the gtv odds Anexis is clear favourite, but Queens had an impressive performance yesterday & this could go either way. Personally I hope squall & co will be able to win this one, but no matter what it will be a great game.
Thomm
Apparently Queens have been training seriously lately, so they could surprise and beat the name-strong Anexis group, but they will need a new trick or two to do that. I will say that Queens will take it, just for kicks -unless Night can rise up to his top-level, haven't seen so much epicness lately!
SimonKinsler
It's going to be 6-4 for Anexis. Queens are going to win the first round with 4-2 - this will be a really close game but the next match Anexis is going to comeback on them with 4-0 win.
*more to come*
For tonight's game, each team will pick a map with the decider being selected via traditional elimination rules - with the winner of the coin-toss choosing which team eliminates first. If both teams pick the same map before the game starts then there will be a cointoss - with the winner of the coin-toss picking the second map. To repeat - there are no forced maps.
Tournament Bracket[/url]
Current standings:[/u]
- x
- x
- G2P
4th - k1ck
5th - disQonnect, MouseControl
7th - b2k, oxid
9th - TAG, Turboapinat, Splendid, Zero-Empathy
13th - bSTURZ, Epic, glitz, Lost Soldiers
Full Maplist:[/u]
supply
sw_goldrush_te
radar
adlernest
bremen_b3
missile
gav, if you lose this, I smash your face at lan
Make it fun both teams!
Assuming the tournament went according to seedings we had a problem because:
G2P couldn't play Tuesday 15th
Anexis couldn't play Wednesday 16th
Queens couldn't play Wednesday 16th
As it turns out, you beat G2P meaning that the final is ok for tonight :)
:P
but i hope a closer match than expected
hope you are joking...
Set off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saC13RJ8CUs
shocking, so if g2p beat queens, it would of had to have been played on a thurs/sunday anyway, what a complete retard.
:DD
i specially stopped my work for 10 mins to check this out, how low people can be, i know ur scared and et is the only thing u will ever have in ur life but still..
amazing!
:----------------------------------------------------D
deadline in 3 hours so byez!
Really dont know how into you are on this drama, but it aint our fault that u guys have fucked up by not being able to play tonight as the schedule that been out weeks says, dont blame us for that lol
Why not refuse a forfeit and prefer to play a real final ?
A little indulgence you would do much good..
Weird now isnt it? :l
like sqzz said, shocking
I feel kinda sad cuz i was looking forward to your victory !
Gl in the future !
ps: if i were you, i wouldn't participate in the next tournament, and i wouldn't play on gtv...
haha you already moved a fucking groups/playoffs match but cant about final?
:D
last game of the cup cant be delayed, what? there is smth after final??
looks like retarded but whatever
Best we can do.
Audience will not be the same whitout the final
heh, butt
In saKen's original comment he said "Ati_ is so mad right now." to which I said "b is two keys to the left."
Two keys to the left of m is b, so if you go back to saKen's original comment and look for where he used the m key (which is only once, vital part of the joke) he said 'mad'
Replace the 'm' with the 'b' that I earlier informed you of and saKen's original comment now says "Ati_ is so bad right now."
saKen asks where the 's' is, which he already has several of in his original comment, this is why his reply to me makes no sense and is not funny.
I hope you found this reply helpful, good day.
Want another special circumstance? It's a fucking final -.- jeez
won lots of $$$? :P
afaik there were no prizes to win here, so anexis only lost a in their award list which is probably a really big whoop for them... so the only people who suffer here are the "fans" who wanted to watch this match.
rules are rules but maybe its not the smartest thing to put them above everything else
but generally agree
Queens > anexis
ez.
Don't get carried away over 1 bad night.
gotta love these power games that are going on in ET for so long already, probably toss just wanted to teach another lesson like the one when he forfeited ferus CPU
So you just completely ignored him posting the dates at the start of the cup, and saying they were going to be strict about the schedule?
13:44 <@TosspoT> Can you do 22 CET Mind?
13:45 <@TosspoT> tonight
13:45 < miNd`> yes
13:45 < miNd`> we r avi tonight
13:45 <@Baggiez> i see no reason anexis would be unavi tonight
13:45 <@Baggiez> ross said they'd be avi
13:45 <@TosspoT> then tonight it is
19:21… @Nait: [12:03:11] [miNd`] TosspoT: have u been told if the final is tonight or not
19:21… @Nait: [12:03:20] [@TosspoT] no
19:21… @Nait: [12:03:22] [@TosspoT] not been told
19:21… @Nait: [12:03:25] [@TosspoT] what have you been told
19:21… @Nait: [12:04:07] [miNd`] 00:33 <@miNd`> 00:31 <Baggiez> late tomorrow?
19:21… @Nait: [12:04:07] [miNd`] 00:33 <@miNd`> 00:32 <miNd`> 2130 CET could work
19:21… @Nait: [12:04:07] [miNd`] 00:33 <@miNd`> 00:32 <miNd`> or 2200
19:21… @Nait: [12:04:17] [miNd`] idk if i got any confirmation tho
Hell, if you were watching ETTV tosspot even said there is a strong possibility he couldnt make tonight. Once we finished our match, ppl made other plans tonight and it wasnt so simple to change. Im not arguing that its not our fault, we accept the forfeit loss. Just an actual confirmation would have helped rather than an assumption
XyLoS replied to your comment Crossfire 15 Nov 11, 20:57
R0SS replied to your comment Crossfire 15 Nov 11, 20:55
R0SS replied to your comment Crossfire 15 Nov 11, 20:49
Night replied to your comment Crossfire 15 Nov 11, 16:58
Lets play, you're all here!
Imo the final should be played, dont care if its a 5 days later or whatever.
But we should not forget that BFB was a very nice cup with good coverage, thank you all the admins!
Sad it has to end this way ;(
blueboy <3
posted by razz
Edit go lick finish players asses as much as you want but still youll stay shit in ET forever hf.
edit: I just checked your edit and gotta say, i know that im shit in ET, do i fucking care? :D
And btw, i heard u have skipped school to practise some ET lol :DD
I can almost feel the bitter tears falling from your eyes while you are sitting infront of your pc and knowing deep inside that i just hitted the truth :/
anyhoo mana would bash ur small face anywhere anytime so stfu
this shit is turning into Robert's one day cups :S
We set out our stall that we wouldn't let such things happen in this tournament, a stance we stand by.
Such is the life of an admin though, take a stance, get flamed or let teams always have their way and get flamed anyway when things get out of control or drag out for too long.
On the other side you have a team who despite knowing the dates for the final were unable and unwilling to play unless on their terms.
Now you tell me: who is at fault here?
I can understand you're pissed off, but I think you're making the wrong conclusions here.
as stated by ross above "The reason the final should be played tonight is he is on holiday for 2 weeks."
him being tosspot, its tosspot's cup and after casting some of the games along the way its only fair he'd want to be able to see and cast the final and get it all wrapped up without having to think about "when is that final going to get played"
"We will only allow rescheduling for exceptional circumstances"
how exceptional does it need to be? your grand final was decided by a forfeit loss by the favourites to win it. now i understand the apathy of these lazy highskill fuckers, how very rude by the way, and the previous coverage was second to none, and a huge step in the right direction to keeping the game alive, but look at the end result mate....you cant be happy with this?
the worlds gone mad. mad i tell thee.
every single person thats been following the games throughout the tournament reads this and thinks "why bother". then all the hard work put in is for fuck all, and thats a shame....
lol the irony
Could have at least set an ultimatum like next sunday or something, weekend day when most ET followers/fans are online to watch the game. Coverage can be kept up till Sunday, doing small reviews and extended interviews of players.
For me, I'd asked both teams if they can play Sunday :S
[e] NOT saying the coverage isbad or anything, this is definatly the best coverage since months/years for a tournament
We need more discipline among teams(and players), and I think that sticking to the rules is the best way to get it.
just put deadline to next sunday, no big deal?
we hemme nen echte reviver (Sup3r) nodig zegge ze :DD
ma ge moet nie terugkome, ET is dood :PP
tbh good decision, finally some strict admining. anexis could easily predict they would reach this stage so they knew deadline month ago
:(
As for the decision, don't wanna go into it too much because I haven't read the cascade of spam regarding it, but I think a decision has been made and it should be respected. Lesson learnt from everyone involved.
AAAAH I SEE
Fu
what happened with this decision is 1) we now know admins meant it when they said "strict schedule", 2) many ppl who were looking to watch this game is let down. 3) even if there will be a show match between teams in the future it will be kinda shit.
this is exactly what happened tonight and the grand final is killed again. many ppl would prefer it being killed by having a grand final which is delayed some time rather then ending like this I'd say.
Thanks guys, I sure hope that there's more to come.
They worked hard and I bet they're bummed too.
Good work from those guys though.
Both teams want to reschedule but admin wants to play it today or tomorrow. Sounds wrong to me.
Source
I see
they knew this date since the begin of the cup!
FUCK THAT SHIT! This tournament was so fucking great... Just play on sunday or what.
Noone is better than the other one -.-
w/e just really bad & disappointing news
drama? no drama, no cf.
nice job with the tournament! coverage was really great
What happens when players don't understand them and they forfeit the cup? That's why some admins decide to bend a little bit the rules to make it better for players, because cups are made for players.
It might be bad for the team in that particular cup/season if they don't follow the rules and get a forfeit, but as a player I'd rather be able to have a clear sense of what I can expect. There's always the next cup to play in. I might be angry at first, but I think the benefit of knowing that admins are being fair and equally strict with all the teams outweighs that.
To the credit of ESL though, I haven't heard anything recently about any "sketchy" admin decisions (thought I'm sure this comment will suddenly receive replies telling me how wrong I am :) ).
But, especially when I think back to one of the recent EC's, where the final wasn't being played for week after week, nothing being done about it, I think that sends a really bad message — it implied a pandering to the teams, that schedules didn't matter for them, and when too many incidents like that start piling up, it cheapens the organization as a whole.
giving the team forfeit when every1 knows anexis would have won 4-0
cu sunday at the onedaycup honey <3
good that i was working, seems that i didn't miss anything beside that drama.
razz would have been shitting bricks. He would have massaged nuggan's cock, therefore bringing out nuggan's A-game.
nuggan would have smashed mAus's face.
razz is a fucking 12 year old faggot.
Face that he is best aimer is just as reasonable as saying that hes also not unbeatable, True is that they would give sick aiming fight with the good nuggan, thats for sure
90% knows Anexis would have won, izi bash.
Best tournament for a long time, and now this shit? pls..
Battle for troll
I can understand the admins wanting to stick to a schedule however "IF" what i am reading is that the schedule was determined because of Stuarts holiday plans then i'm kinda stunned. Granted you would want Stu to cast the game but given a choice of no cast and an actual final being played i know what people would generally want to see.
It's a shame as some of the admins, namely Baggiez put an insane amount of effort into coverage for this tournament and it was helping to build some kudos and was potentially being seen as a serious replacement for EC but that has now been lost imo :(
Wrong decision here i think...
You are in the wrong. The you knew the final would be either Tuesday or Wednesday and said that you were available for the Tuesday. The final decision on when the final would be played was made early yesterday, but you knew long in advance that the final was likely to be on that date and you didn't have a team ready for last night or tonight. (You've since said that it was only Night that wasn't avi and you would have used Flop)
I'm not trying to slander anyone but there are people involved with a history of apathy towards ET schedules and the flippant attitude of those people contributed to this outcome.
But after finishing our game and watching the LB final, too, there was still nothing announced. Neither was anything discussed about the final on BfB admins irc channel or BfB finals channel. So am I really that stupid to think there's no way in hell the final's gonna be played on the next day? I don't think so. At that moment it was pretty clear for us that the final wont be played until sunday/next week because Queens could not play on Wed/Thur(Wed wasnt the best idea for us either) for sure. Next information I(and probably most of my teammates) got was the crossfire newspost when I came home, unfortunately it was a little late. Right after reading this I contacted you, but you didnt want to hear anything about it. That's the best we could do unfortunately.
I just wanted to play the final and get over with it, we would've had as many viewers on any other day. The hell, I could've shoutcasted while playing!
At the moment you're just making yourself look bad by taking away one of the best ET matches that people have seen in months and trying to blame it on us to save yourself.
But other than that it was a very decent cup with great coverage. Only thing missing that was originally mentioned are the interviews, but I guess it would've been too hard seeing how difficult it is to even get statements from the teams.
The cup is made FOR players, so the even if the rules are clear, they need to suit the players. What i mean by that is that if the final needs to be delayed 1 week, so it is. A cup needs a proper ending, otherwise what's the point of playing groups/playoffs etc etc etc?
The only impression i can get is that even with great coverage and stuff, admins are only looking at themselves, instead of caring about the teams.
If you do not have anything to gain (and i didn't mean exactly you, but the whole crew behind the tournament), whats the point of this decision? Just to prove that rules need to be followed exactly? If yes, fail. Common sense > rules.
The schedule was set by tosspot according to the best days for him i guess, but thats somehow wrong. Tosspot is not playing, the whole tournament is about the teams, not about him. (no hate, but i don't care if the shoutcasts or not, i don't listen to his shoutcasts or any shoutcasts at all.)
edit: and don't Queens need to win TWICE to get the golden pocal? If yes, the BIG final still needs to be played afaik. Atleast i hope so.
cheers mate, no hate ,u did a hell of a job.
I disagree. I understand you're point of view because I've been in your position, spectating and waiting for a final. But unless I'm mistaken, you haven't been in my position, trying to get the final of a tournament played. You reference the last EC final - I was in it, and we still haven't played it - and I doubt we ever will.
Different point of views, crossfire have made their point, and we community gave negative points to such decision. Thats a clear message from us.
"and we community gave negative points to such decision. Thats a clear message from us. "
YOUR OPINION = COMMUNITY OPINION? Cause I see plenty of people disagreeing with you, who are those people, not in the community?
Seriously step down from your high horse.
And yes, create a poll asking if the decision was right, take your conclusions after. By reading the whole topic i can conclude MOST people disagrees. I don't need to step from a high horse, i shouldn't even care actually since i have more important stuff to care about right now... but seriously, this is just a game.. being professional or following the rules was wrong in this specific case.
This was meant to be a "example cup", if yes, the conclusion to the outsiders might not be that great.. the coverage was great, etc, but without a proper ending everything seems like meaningless...same applies to latest EC...
tbh i don't wanna keep feeding you, the decision was made, nothing can be done now so lets drop the whine.
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and now pure bullshit ...
well done ...absolutly stupid
Personally I'd love to have a clear structure like this for every tournament and not another tournaments like EC where all the decisions seem to be made rather randomly and never stay on schedule. When people know the rules and dates in advance it is equal and fair to everyone. Even a forfeit is better than the final being played weeks after it was supposed to be played.
Huge thanks to Baggiez for organizing the tournament and putting in tons of hours writing all the coverage!
LIKE A BOSS
Back to skyrim...
Your thoughts please.
I started out playing expert, but after I fought one guy for over an hour to kill him I decided to lower it to master. I dont use fast travel, I dont use weapons :) Yes, its a challenge. Mostly tricking the AI into doing stupid things and emptying my mana and rechargining it. Thats why I'm going for endless mana mage as described in one of the hints on this list:
http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/mb8la/massive_list_of_all_the_tips_and_tricks/
The build I'm trying is this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/mb8la/massive_list_of_all_the_tips_and_tricks/c2zpedd
Basicly, I started flaming my prison buddy before sneaking past the bear. I did this for about 45 mins while watching TV. The reason its so efficient is since you aren't considered in combat, meaning your mana charges faster, much faster then if you were in combat. If you do it just before sneaking past the bear the guy will even stand still or come running to you.
I'm now leveling my destruction / restoration / enchanting mostly, trying not to level too much in other areas. Master difficulty doesnt allow much room for fast leveling smithing etc, since you need combat skills to survive.
I hope to start enchanting my destruction gear tonight, and hope to build up a never ending mana spamming mage as soon as possible :) I might actually turn the difficulty up to expert if I get it working.
Also check out this list of mods, im only using the Borderless Window for fast ALT+TAB. http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/14/the-10-best-skyrim-mods-so-far/
And this, if you havent seen it yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNx9-cWJZc
I skilled my sneak up to 50+ and had 15x backstab. It was great for 1/1000 occasions that I could 1-shot someone but once in combat against a few mobs it seems absolutely worthless, which made me re-think my assassin/stealth char. I know I only toyed with it for <30 minutes, but I kinda made my mind up already.
Any thoughts on that?
(I read the magic business which seems pretty awesome)
Turn up the gameplay difficulty if you dont have a challenge tbh.
Turn off the in game mouse smoothing.
Turn on subtitles. So you can ENTER through conversations.
Btw, didnt you love fallout 3? Its the same game tbh.
no worries squall , we ll get 3on3 and 4on4 master icon for you, its more impotant anyways!
And as usual Baggiez starts with some awesome work and then fucks it up.
I TOLD YOU SO.
EDIT: I wouldnt mind seeing Baggiez or Twidi as CB-Admins though.
sounds good but the game is on a whole other level now
At least you got a lot of comments on the newspost!!! Unfortunately only on the newspost with all the "drama".
being strict in an ET cup, long overdue.
edit: enough of people saying ET is dead anyway. can think of worse shit than this that happened years ago and ET is still here after that.
Amazing.. best competition ever!
isn't it just a forfiet for one game?
didn't queens had to win twice too win the cup?
so don't you have a war to play?
Scrap the forfeit and have these 2 teams arrange a match to get this tournament finished truly and properly.
Isn't the first time and it won't be the last.