Euro 2008: HOL vs RUS

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Date: Sat 21 June Kick-off: 1945 BST Venue: St Jakob-Park, Basel

Quote by bbc.co.ukNetherlands coach Marco van Basten is set to revert back to his favoured starting XI after resting a host of players last time out against Romania.

That could mean only Khalid Boulahrouz - who will play despite the death of his prematurely-born baby daughter - and Arjen Robben keep their places.

Ruud van Nistelrooy, Andre Ooijer and Dirk Kuyt will all return to the side.

Russia coach Guus Hiddink will name an unchanged line-up to the one that beat Sweden 2-0 in their final group game.

That victory was inspired by Andrei Arshavin, the Zenit St Petersburg playmaker who had been suspended for the first two group games - a 4-1 defeat to Spain and a narrow 1-0 win over Greece.

"I don't think we needed to score that many goals in the Swedish game," said Arshavin. "We needed to save them for the next games and I hope we will score a few against the Dutch.

"If we didn't have to play the Netherlands, we would feel much better, because I think they are the best side here.

"But fate has it that we have to play the strongest team in the tournament in the last eight. I hope we will be able to match them."

Russia's performance in the win over Sweden prompted many observers to predict a possible upset against the Dutch, despite the Netherlands' 100% record in the tournament so far.

The match has a further twist, in that Russia coach Hiddink is a Dutchman, and led Holland to the semi-finals of the World Cup in 1998.

And Hiddink, who will reportedly earn a £400,000 bonus for leading Russia into the last eight, will hope to avenge Russia's defeat to the Netherlands in the final of Euro '88.

The Netherlands, though, have been in superb form in this Championship, beating World Cup winners Italy 3-0, World Cup finalists France 4-1, and then Romania 2-0 with a side largely made up from fringe members of the squad.

Netherlands have announced that the players will wear black armbands in the quarter-final against Russia after Boulahrouz's prematurely-born daughter died earlier this week.

Meanwhile, the Netherlands' Nigel de Jong and Andre Ooijer, and Russia's Ivan Saenko, Dmitry Torbinsky, Denis Kolodin, Andrei Arshavin and Sergei Semak, are all a booking away from missing a potential semi-final clash with either Spain or Italy.
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3-1 netherlands
3-0 for Holland ofcourse ^^
nl will take this imo

anyway gl russia :P
3-1, or so I hope, but I dont trust 'Tsaar' Guss Hiddink. He has done crazier things in the past.
tottaly agree with u :D
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have to agree that nl will bash russia ;d
Drugs lose today
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pobeta ili smert!

I see too much arrogance....Russia could take this.
but there is a cameltoe !
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u serious? .. i ain't seein one :(
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You have to see Kournikova's
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its not so sexy imo:p
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wimbledon, gravel ?

FAKE
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like you german cunt
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you prefer men?
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who is she and does she pic naked? ;o
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She's a model :l
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i hope she died, i was rdy with my hands :<
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mmm close game hiddink is very smart and wont make a tactical mistake.... its really up to russia to show what their capable of doing
Like against Spain? :P
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You really don't know anything of football :o)
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Explain....it was meant as a side note. Russia played naive against Spain and made many tactical mistakes, although it wasn't probaly Hiddink's order. I bet on them the other both matches so I do tonight..., although the Netherlands are the clear favourite.
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RUSSIA WILL WIN LOL
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I'm not so sure about this, those russians can be nasty ;(
Kuyt!11111
good luck holland <3
die holland plz.
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just that i dont like holland's playstyle !

and i dont like their language also !
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Russia win
Hollands 3-1
what are these balls?
3-2 for Russia..np4us
indeed! >: D
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*image: kleenex

for tonight. ;)
russia played strong and very technical against sweden, i hope they will take this one too
GL Holland!
boring game so far, more tactics than playing
netherlands has to find their ritm cus they dind't have that yet
rythm it's called.
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russia playing really nice football
Russia is playing nice, holland need robben badly
commentator said Robben wont play probably cause he's not 100%
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Belgian commentator said Robben most likely can't play because he has a light injury. But he might be wrong.
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RUS will win....
np 4 Rus
kanker nederland
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Zhirkooooooooooooooooooooooooov
sprach der mit der tschechischen flagge
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sprach der mit der schwedischen
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nice goal
lil bit like the german goal vs portugal
the dutch always fold under pressure :<
ok, so that will be me eating my words lol :>
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You eat everything. Such a fatty.
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ill knock you the fuck out zippy.
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Bring it old man!
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They don't they are going to take this match
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1-11111111111111111111111111111111111111111
GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
ruuuud
damn it =/
holland doenst earn that goal russia was better
your cancer mother with aids
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aggressive u are
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2-1
muhahhaha
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golmon, both goals were nice equally
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ye sure ruds goal was nice2 but russia was the better team...
i dont rly care who wins but i prefer russia ;)
*Edit*
again lucky dutchies!
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YES!!!!!!!!!!
YES, EAT MY PIDAR COCK RUSSIANS
Netherlands going to take this,
close but no cigar :/
contreversial ref decision! this game aint over yet :P
lol @ not / red card :XD
the win was sooo closee :'(
NL NL NL
<3 <3 <3

yuuu de manne :~>
omfg !!! 2-1 rus
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
!!!! YOEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA




BB HOLLAND MWAHAH
well played rus <3333
GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAL
:(
come on holland!
omfg gg russia
bye bye dutchies =)))
ROFL
WTF
RUSSIA :DDDDD

WHAT A EM
unexpected, gratz russia :D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
HOLLAND GO HOME!
EPIC FAIL!
nooooooo :~<
im rly sad now
bibuy =(
u can become germany fanboy if u want :D
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anything but russia
i will, aslong russia will lose !
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why u dont like russia?
cos u dont have nice girls @ your school like in your link? (u have another1? :D )

the better team won np ;)
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cos u dont have nice girls @ your school like in your link? (u have another1? :D )
what? :x
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soz i try to translate into english :o
u dont like russia cos there are nice girls (was your link or? :O)
and these girls arent @ your school...
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what link, what school wtf are you talking about =(
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http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=36337
was in the most hated country thing...
:<
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we have better np4me
i hate russians because many reasons, not all of them ofcurse, but only the good for nothing !
in israel crime rate triple itself since russian come here
the most hard crimes are performed by russians here, and hard crimes are killing, beating old people and even new-nazi...
yes all this in israel :(
lucky the police fucking rape them :O)
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i want pics if there are better looking girls!
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the best stuff are my privet stash :D
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i will find you and cut you in pieces , ill shove your nose up your ass you fag

beware jew
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e-threat
im not afraid of you, you fucking gay !
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FUCK OFF YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT + HOMOSEXUALS.
EAT THAT FAGGOT
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eat yourself russian
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EAT THAT FAGGOT
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football is dead
only for holland ;)
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Russia Arshavin POTM
schade holland alles ist vorbei!!
schade holland alles ist vorbei!!
schade holland alles ist vorbei!!
schade holland alles ist vorbei!!
schade holland alles ist vorbei!!

::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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BEST EC GAME SO FAR IMO!
there's fucking madness in the street atm!
dutchies, gl&hf @ 2010 qualis :>
to all haters:
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RUSSSIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8
bb nl :DDD
unbelievable, arshaaaaaaaaavin
holland sucks obviously

try again in 4 years lowbirds.
NICE RUSSIA ;D GRATZ
HAHA Great. Finally NL lost :D. Stupid football :D d: :).
2 easy for brilliant Russia, they where a joy to watch :>
Russia is going to win the whole EC!
RUUUUUSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

ahahaha 2ez
Well played Russia!
Thanks for the money, Russia!
Amazing game from Russia, completely deserved. Russia was better in every aspect of the game.
Deserved win for Russia imo.

Holland didn't/couldn't give its all in the extra time..
Potm, Arshavin
the russia's coach is dutch right?
well as soon as he'll come back home, just burn him alive and cut his balls
May I ask why? Hes just doing his job retard.
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maybe hes joking?? lighten up fucktard.....
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I didnt find that amusing u fucking cunt.
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maybe hes joking?? lighten up fucktard.....
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at least a dutchy won tonight
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nah, everyone really respects him and it is awesome what he's done with Russia. Just friggin' sucks that he pwned us :P Isn't big suprise ofcourse that Hiddink > van Basten though
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Hiddink is one of the best coaches around the world

3rd with South Korea at WC 2002

good matches with Australia at WC 2006

+ much more wins with clubs etc...
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4th, turkey was 3rd
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why is this=?? when everyone else wins the games they go out on the streets in cars and shit...when russia wins theres only 10 yr old kids out there waving flags and shit...

odd
becouse they dont have mianifest that so much their happines like other ones? u dont have to go on the street to be happy xD
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well I hear now, theres enough cars out there....I'm going to go and look..
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here still silent:) and we have almost same many Russians here as Turkey ppl:)
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we have more türks...BUT, was just out on my bike to see wassup, the police have closed the innenstrasse, theres a lot of russkis in cars and on the main square..
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they already won uefa cup, eurovision, icehockey, maybe winning is becoming boring for them.
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Hope that Russia will be raped by Spain/Italy :<
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HE PWNS


some admin delete journals... prolly a NL one.......

HAHAHAHHA
Why do you think this topic is here?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well played Russia, Allthougt u will lose versus Spain :<

Spain vs Germany final?
arshavin was awesome tonight. Deserved win for russia .
Arshavin-> godlike
NL from hero to zero..;

Just really nice play from RUS, impressive

wp
Russia !!!!!!!!!
RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!
we fucking won!
yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhh :DDDDDDDDDD
deserved

dutch bad mentality. if you fucking wanna win you gotta fight for it. fucking hell.

wp russia, give us nice half final match :{}
Wooohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Russia was soooo awesome tonight! That team is just great xD
bibuy Oranje u suck!
<3

they weren't bad
we were just better :)
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was that ronner I saw in the audience, right before the end?
ronner is @ irc :O
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must have been his clone, then.
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terecht fuck nederland stel eigenwijze drama's
Russia - our sacred stronghold,
Russia - our beloved country.
A mighty will, a great glory
Are your heritage for all times!

Chorus:
Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
Ancient union of brotherly nations,
Ancestor given wisdom of the people!
Be glorious, country! We take pride in you!

From the southern seas to the polar region
Spread our forests and our fields.
You are one in the world! You are one of a kind,
Native land protected by God!

Chorus

A broad expanse for dreams and for lives
Is opened to us by the coming years.
Our faith in our Motherland gives us strength.
So it was, so it is, and so it will always be!

Chorus

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The big money and the big talent is in russia!
LOL FIREWORKS EVERY MINUTE! :D
Amazing!
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Take some pics for me pls <3
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http://taganka.cpms.ru/cam.php?cam=1
just change numbers in the url for different cams
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haha nearly everyone turned on emergency lights! :D
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lmao, yea even had fireworks here in germany :D
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ye, same here :DDDDDDDD
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and even here :D
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Believe it or not, even here XD
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I would go out and get fucking drunk :D
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BEST EC GAME SO FAR IMO!
man russia played so good :s im very dissapointed @ NL they where sleeping !!!
schade Holland alles ist vorbei..

my guess for the final was NL vs POR/ ESP

^^
En jij bent overduidelijk een belg want Nederland had helemaal niet tegen Spanje uit kunnen komen in de finale!
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ehm that would have been impossible
nl & spain could have met the next game which is the semi final
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Thank you matthijssen! debiel
Awesome match, Russia was clearly better. Za matuszku Rassiju, kamraty!
Hell if russia would have pogrebniak along with pavluchnko that would be unbeatable.
damn now hiddink should change the nationality! :D
je opengesneden kanker oma kanker jong ga je dikke tering vader met een beugel baffe
wij spelen teminste op een EK.
Whoaa, nice match
Russiaaa!!!! : DDDD
Expected...big mouth, no balls...bb dutchies
I hate to say "I told you so", but euhm, I told you so :D
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So I did? What for a sentence is that :o)
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It's the Russian way of speaking English. I just did it as respect for Russia's performance.
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Arshavin is awesome,
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What a great player and game!
omg swen kramer
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English?
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Very well played by Russia, nice shots, really good teamwork, but the most awesome was that they did all like in futsal...

With this performance Russia can rape every team, if they would play against Spain now maybe it would be 4-1 again, but I'm sure not for Spain.
would be interesting match for sure :-)
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no chance against germany
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had an amazing time watching the game, and I'm not even into football usually.
schade holland alles ist vorbei , alles ist vorbei
schade holland alles ist vorbei , alles ist vorbei

schade holland alles ist vorbei , alles ist vorbei

schade holland alles ist vorbei , alles ist vorbei

schade holland alles ist vorbei , alles ist vorbei
you are, whiny bitch
spijtig maar alles is voorbij image: 11718
ja net zoals belgie echte owners image: marco.slootbeek
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"all your cancer mothers with aids you fucking mongols get aids and die alone in your bed retarded faggots "
"ye stfu fucking 3rd world country mongol go fuck your dead grandmother 21 year old nolife fagget "

seems like you have been studying !
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Russia gl in the semi´s
amazing player Russia have..Arshavin

gg
you are, whiny bitch
you are, copy/pasting bitch
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Russia doesn't earn this at all. Soccer is dead. This EC is an epic fail.
english soccer is idd
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like your life?
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What about it.
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is an epic fail
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what do you know about my life...
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im your father... :(
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Russia was better in every aspect of the game, completely deserved to win.
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why exactly didnt they deserve it?
and what does make this ec be an epic fail?
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russia does earn it, since they played the best football of the entire EC so far in this match
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Netherlandsmaybe COCATb???
Haven't seen such a good performance by Russian national team for years. Glad they finally recruited talented coach.
revenge for losing in 1988 final!
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So true!
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Dutch coach! unHAXspected
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hahaha someone is mad :DDD ,bibuy :/DD/D
orly xD wont you be?
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you are, whiny bitch
grow up pls
dutch whine is funny: netherlands lost consequently ec sux xD
dutch whine is funny despite what its about.
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i say final turkey - russia
germany - spain ;)
or turkey - spain
or turkey russia
or germany russia
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italy doesn't have a chance vs spain
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guus hiddink did it, to him all respect imo
preliminary round is over.. 1on1 is allways different ;)
italy is next >:|
Although the match outcome is fucked up, we can only send our compliments to the Russian squad!

Well played!

The Netherlands simply fucked up. Defending @ 2 or 3 meters is no defending, totally no pressure when russia was building their attacks, no smooth attacks, simply to much tension in the team. They can thank temselves for this loss.

Russia played a good match and The Netherlands fucked it all up, that means a well deserved 1-3 unfortionally.

GL in the tournament Russia!
bb Holland haha excellent^^ Germany > all np
Ohne Holland fahren wir nach Berlin -like I said :)
imo 2nd best EC match right after TUR - CZE
i wanna see turkey vs russia final. don't say it wouldn't be exciting.
it wouldn't be exciting
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it wouldn't be exciting
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it wouldn't be exciting
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my dog's name is zico..
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good for your dog. zico was one of tbe bestest brazillian player ever, for your information.
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that's why my father named him after zico :P
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HAHHAHHAAHHAAHHA
pls, finland has germany and russia in their world cup qualifier group :D
hey dutch

u folded.
watch your words essah...

Don't get to pretentious after one decent match from Germany, it might come back real hard at you! ^^
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:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

i gotta talk to you anyway.

accept my xFire invitation.
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you r right
Well played Russia. You can see now how bad van Basten is tactically. Russia is worse than Holland but with the right tactic u can own the opponent.

Kolodin should have been send off though.
very nice game.
russia really played great against the dutchies that thought they allready won the cup.
you got owned owned owned owned you got owned owned owned owned !!!



http://netherlands.justgotowned.com/

:D:D
Every tourney its the same with the dutch teams. Highly regarded before the start, but they never seem to really make it in the end.
same goes for spain who will lose tonight
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you hadnt reached a semi final in 42 years, I'm starting to understand why you're all happy
Quote<fra> dont worry Ronner`, it's like losing to nonames on et :(

it must be pretty frustrating then, too bad NL :(
this is bullshit, all eurocup results before 1996 are missing for some reason, Russia were in finals 1988
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20 years* then ;)
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Your point being?
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There was no Russia in 1988.
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now read the wikipedia article if you're so smart.

"FIFA considers the Russia national team the direct descendant of the CIS and USSR national teams."
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"Following the collapse of the former Soviet Union, Russia rejoined FIFA as an independent nation in 1992 and competed at the 1994 FIFA World Cup USA&#8482; two years later." (c) FIFA

"Prior to UEFA EURO '96&#8482;, Russia participated as part of the Commonwealth of Independent States during the 1992 UEFA European Championship having previously played as a member of the Soviet Union from the competition's inception in 1958.
...
Russia's first international since the dissolution of the Soviet Union came on 16 August 1992 when they defeated Mexico 2-0. Previously, Russia had played international matches as an independent state between 1912 and 1914." (c) UEFA
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nonames ?

U are just fucking jealous
cuz U didn't even qualify from group

& I lold @ EUROPEAN TEAM FRANCE with 9-10 negroes @ main lineup out of 11 people
seriously ,U should play @ African cup with this team
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Awards

at least we won something and reached several times a semi-final or a final, unlike MOTHER RUSSIA :DDDDDDD
oh and you're a racist, I'll be proud of the french football team no matter what, it doesnt bother me at all to see a lot of black people in a national team, I dont know why it should
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yep, new teams are winning, oh noes
Deserved win for Russia. The Dutch players were very good against Italy and France, but now they really sucked. I hope Russia or Spain wins the cup now :)
They werent that good only Italy & France sucked they even couldnt beat Romania. Russia was a strong opponent.
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I think they attacked well against Italy and France. And the defence has always been bad in my opinion..
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Hup HOLLAND Hup

:D:d.D:
all favorites FAILED

portugal, croatia and now holland..

time for spain too? :D
dude who cares..

we (netherlands) beat the worldchampions with uuh 3-0?
which makes us the new worldchamp. but 3 times as good as the prev. one

so this stupid title didnt matter anymore anyways

like rafael said.. We should have tried harder/we hadden beter ons best moeten doen

see.. they just didnt give a shit hah!

or not.. we lost LOL and were losers finally no more annoying and/or irritating commercials about "orange"
no more people on the streets yelling and being happy for no fucking reason

l8er idiots hf burning down the cities tonight
So true :DD
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nl wasnt as good as the results make us believe. Both against france and italy they were the lesser team half the game. And besides, if it wasnt for the offside goal u wouldnt have beaten italy with... uuh 3:0?
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agree with you all the way, except for the goal which simply wasn't offside.
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because the rules say so?

A player can not exclude himself from the game by going behind the lines when the game is still going on within the 16 meter area. Buffon pushed him away and he ended outside of the field, however the rule itself states that he is still part of the game.
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ye true its the rule, but its kind of silly though since the player wasnt even near the goal or participating. But ofc i dont know how or when he left the field
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hw could stand at the corner flag and that would still be the case, its still not offside though.
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they were better than italy during the entire game, france was better most of the game but didn't manage to score as they did the same thing we did yesterday. run with the ball through the middle and try shots from distance, so pointless.
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you.. are a fucking retard.. accept the loss imo
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oh oh sorry..
i didnt even watch those games and i was being sarcastic

actually i hate soccer/football (the commercials, the people, all the dumb orange stuff all over the streets and pretty much everything else that comes with it) so im glad its over<3

FUCK this is dumb youre calling me a retard but im 2 scared to name you things Lol
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You hate football, yet you had to proudly post that holland beat the world champion and that means more the the european title?

Start making sense instead of just shooting your mouth of with random things.
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i didnt even watch those games and i was being sarcastic
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you're a retard
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go jump in an oven
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ge hebt volkomen gelijk
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"no more people on the streets yelling and being happy for no fucking reason"


Nerd
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hahahahaha:DDD<33
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Geen wedstrijdritme idd
Holland deserved to lose. Period.

What Hiddink did was marvelous and smart. He made his players run around the field and changing positions all the time because he knew that van Basten had specific positions for all players. You stick with him, you stick with that guy etc. The russian players switched positions so many times that it ended up with guys like Sneijder and van Persie in the defense positions and guys like Boularouz and Ooijer in offense positions.

I simply have to hand it to the russians for this marvelous smart play and a well deserved win.

Now let's get back to the reality. Before this EC everyone in Holland was saying that van Basten sucks and that he should've left long ago as the coach. Now NL has two fortunate games against Italy and France and a semi-fortunate game against Romenia and most of the country is "WTF BBQ-HAX COOOOL!!!! WE RULE!!!" whereas it's still the same team we cursed at for the past two years.

What if the attacks vs Italy and France ended like so many attacks end, which is not inside the goalposts.. Would this Orange-madness still exist? Or would we still have chanted that van Basten should quit before the EC itself instead of anouncing he will quit after the EC before it even started.

NL played bad tonight and Russia is a well deserved winner of this quarter final.

(on a sidenote, I still think the reffing in this tournament is of a very low standard. Not cuz we lost, cuz really.. care.. but the reffing in general sucks. NL players made fouls that should've ended in cards, as well as the russian players, but I've seen this in soooo many games this EC.. When will Eufa finally open their eyes and realise that ONE man can not judge an entire game concisting of 22 players? ELECTRONICS ffs)

Russia won. Deserved as well. There is just one dubious thing I have to mention. Never EVER in my entire life have I seen a ref taking any card back that he already gave to a player. He withdrew the 2nd yellow card but the reason is still unknown to me. The ball from Sneijder was in and even if that was the reason that the foul he did was AFTER the ball was outside, it was still a foul which he gave yellow for. Was simply a weird thing to see which I've never seen happen before in football.

Onto the next game! (and for NL the next tournament) .. From my side I hope that either Russia orTurkey win it.
yea reffing sucks, its retarded they dont use video images so refs dont jump to hasty conclusions. How hard can it be to have a ref blow his whistle and in case of doubt have one or two other refs watch the footage and make a decision. That card would have never been pulled if things happened like this, cuz taking it back like that is indeed totally weird
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the card situation was indeed very weird. Never in my life have I ever seen a ref taking a card back. Was totally absurd imo.

and yah, electronics are needed in football. Just let the game itself continue and have two refs continously reviewing the video-footage and alert the main-ref about fouls or things that went wrong. It will be the only way to have a fair game imo.

Just look at american football.. The teams can call a "challange" to a certain situation and then video footage is analysed to make sure the situation is handled with according to the rules of the game. Soccer needs just that. Continue playing and have 2 (or even more ppl) watch continous video footage to make sure everything is done according to the rules.
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mmm continue playing might be abit tricky though, what if a goal is made during that period? Shouldnt take too long to make up their mind, so mayb they should wait for it
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so what if a goal is made? Take offside goals. The goal is made, the ppl cheer and a couple seconds later they stop cheering cuz they realise it's been denied because of offside.. same with video-footage imo. It only take a couple seconds to review the footage and make a decision according to rules.
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think it would be better to just wait for like 20seconds to acknowledge a card or a goal. Like it doesnt matter that much for other decisions, so for goals and cards u can wait a few seconds before the ref confirms it
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each team gets 3-5 challenges per half so if a team totally disagrees they can use their challenge..

same thing with tennis (hawke-eye)
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I remember seeing something like that happen once. It was the Champions League Final in 1998 with Juventus vs. Real Madrid, and the ref got mixed up between Davids and Seedorf. One had already been booked, and instead of booking the other, the ref issued the other with a "second yellow" followed by a red. Fortunately someone informed him and he retracted it though.

It was mildly amusing
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Amen...now off to bed old man :P


p.s. my orange shirt is for sale
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rofl, I've never worn an orange shirt (ugly color imo) and I never will :D
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idiooooot :DDD
its very weird and pretty unclear to me why he took the yellow card back for the Russian player, that was the deciding moment in the match when i knew NL was gonna loose. The russians werent playing that good imo, NL let them play theyre game and we were just running around randomly. Shouldnt have brought in Affelay ( advocaatje anyone? ) and after he took the yellow card back, i sayd to my friends, this is gonna get us. 11 vs 10 wouldnt have ended like this and the referee clearly took away our win at that moment, although the russians deserved it more ( but did they? cause they missed an awfull lot of chances to take the win in regular time, and they didnt so that kinda rules out the deserved to win imo )

better luck in 2 years i hope. Spain ftw <3
the card decision was indeed dubious and still a mystery, but don't deny that russia deserved to win this, cuz they simply did.
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they deserved it, but they shouldve scored more then once, so if they wouldve lost, they could only blame themselves imo. Thats what i ment with the deserved part. You see it so many times that teams deserve to win and they loose, just simply cause theyre not scoring. Weve all seen it so many times.

in the end russians were better and won fair and square
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vandersar is still a great keeper, one of the reasons they didnt score as much as they should have. They way they created chances made them deserve the win imo
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because the other referee said the ball was allready out, so what the russian did was pointless and wouldnt effect the game
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pffff more excuses
YOU LOST. ADMIT IT :/
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dude, fking read. i did admit it, arrogant russian fucks jumping on me for no reason lol
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Well, you are talking like that if the ref would have decided right holland would have won the game etc.

Before ref didnt give a penalty which indeed was very hard to see (on german telivision they analyzed it later and it was very clear to see that Zyranow was held and the defender even stepped on his foot).

And the necessity of the yellow card asuming the ball wouldn't have been out is very questionable too.
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well, i wouldnt be suprised that holland wouldve won if they got the red card, Russia deserved to win in regular time with more then 1-0, but if you dont make the goal, the opponent will. And it happens every time ;)
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The reason why the ref took the yellow + red card back is because he trusted his linesman, who thought the ball was out. any action after this will be cancelled like they never happened, except things like 2 players fighting. This are the footballrules.

ofcourse the linesman wasn't correct but if you look at the fault the russian player commited you can see it wasn't even worth a yellow card. He almost didn't hit the player and there was nothing aggresive to it. But ofcourse it was a fault. So if you look at it it's pretty fair that the red card was taken back
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the linesman didn't even put his flag up xD
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its wrong to trust a linesman that didnt even react at first that the ball was out, only after the ref asked while he shouldve flagged that the ball was out BEFORE the ref asked + you should never trust a linesman thats on the other side of the field who needs to look if a ball is out BEHIND THE GOAL from his side. The decision was wrong and completely shit.

Still russia won, they deserved it more then NL.
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Game was average imo, Holland didnt seem to takeoff like was expected and Russia played by far their best football to date - which made it quite a close game. The Ref was absolutely atrocious though, that ruined the game for me.

This Arseshaving lad is decent though, shame he comes across as an arrogant twat.
Man Utd should snap him up as a replacement for Ronaldo so!
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cancer4lifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

woo!
UNEXPECTED! wp RUS! what a suprise results so far
kaZer on 21/06/08, 14:12:48
3-1 netherlands
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pedro on 21/06/08, 14:22:36
3-1 netherlands
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xeoxis on 21/06/08, 14:16:28
3-1 netherlands
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Kitty on 21/06/08, 14:30:13
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SO GUYS, U SUCK HARD! hahahaha

3-1 FOR RUSSIA! Go home, orange cannabis!
10 EURO they become champion

come to me 300 EURO COME
cancer4life
wp russia
realy wp Russia
deserved win!
Russia has a dutch coach,basicly only dutch can beat dutch muwhaha. ;D moondo1
Verdonk has to take his dutch nationality now :D
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now Guus is antihero:)
btw, before this match Guus got 500000 euro; and all Russia team 7000000 euro; for Svenska...so it was good reason to beat Oranges!
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The ref was a piece of shit, if he wouldn't take that yellow card back NL would have won.

But why the hell did he trust a other ref who is on the other side of the field?

But reffing is very bad in general this EC, and when russia scored 2-1 four of their player comming from the side into the playing field should have a yellow card! Fucking refs need to follow the rules for once.
get a sens of the game....

the ball was already out.
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so if the ball is out you can tackle someone on the ankle without getting a yellow card? o nice then.
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The ref considered the foul a tactical one. If he had blown the whistle before the foul (due to the ball being out), the foul wouldn't have happened. That's why he took back the card.
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but the ball wasn't out! he was just to stupid to believe the ref on the other side of the field who couldn't see shit because the goal and alot of player where in his view.

But again teams just need to boycot UEFA until they have decent refs (only can think of two, but that would be enough)
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And you know better, because...? Oh yeah, you've seen it from some obscure camera angles.
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dude , you cant even revoke a given card in this situation.
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obviously you can.
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No you cant , KNVB can even file a protest against this decision.It's forbidden.
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You are right. He can only take it back, if he says it's not worthy of a yellow card. Guess what the UEFA said now (or respectively the ref)? ;)

Oh my! Seemed different yesterday. He signaled the ball was off the pitch and now...
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They just told on the radio that if the KNVB files the complaint ,there is a 99% chance that the match has to be replayed xD. But I dont think the knvb is gonna do it :()
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if I once get the chance to play fotoball vs you, I'll kill you when the ball is out and I won't get punished for that :D;D;d:dD:d;d:DD:D:DD
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look you don't have a clue at all..
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whine!Holland looks like a shitt! belive me!
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Well if Russia got that penalty they deserved we might have lost after 90 minutes already...
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word! ur right:)
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finally a dutch guy who isn't whining... holland played bad.. russia was better..
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it wasnt a penalty..
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lolD...open ur eyeZ!
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Yes it was.
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it was penalty 9999999999999% sure
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we got van der sar, don't forget that

but I think he wouldn't catch a rusian rocket heading towards the goal from 11 meters.

But the ref was just very bad in general (like most refs on this WC)
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No problem for Kolodin!
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atleast the right decision was made now. Very good and mature move of the ref
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rofl ur dumb or smth? that ballw asn't out so it weans't the right decission
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kolodin didn't even hit sneiijder so a red carded would be so undeserved
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that doesn't mather, he wanted to give him a yellow card so he had to do so. First thought is always the best! And it was better then saying the bal was out while it clearly wasn't
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wasn't it offside? Anyway you think that he kolodin deserved the yellow card? c'mon that wouldn't be fair at all
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hij raakte hem niet eens man
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ja maar dat zag de scheidsrechter niet! netzoals dat die bal nog in was ook iets wat die blinde spast niet zag. En ook die penalty voor de russen heeft die mongool niet gezien.

Drie cruciale dingen die de scheidsrechter niet gezien heeft, waravan 2 zelfs op het zelfde moment.
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de grens zag dat het geen overtreding was zeggen ze net op tv en dan klopt het gewoon, die penalty kan gebeuren. je moet gewoon niet zo zeiken zelf ben je ook maar gewoon een loser
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de grens zag niet dat het geen overtreding was maar de grens dacht te zien dat die bal uit was.
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o heb je hem gesproken toevallig..
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Nee maar waarom maakt de scheids er anders een doeltrap van ipv een rode kaart? Anders was het gewoone en vrijetrap geweest
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expected
lolol was gonna make the exactly same comment when i went to the box to type, i saw yours :p
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russia vs turkey in final pls!
germany-italy imo
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russia deserved to take this one. too bad holland didn't go true though
They're is only won winner, Russia went true.
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that are through
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it sounds the same, who cares :p
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GG Russia, deserved win.
I hope they will make it to the finals now!
schade holland alles ist vorbei :D
final will be germany vs. italy ! bb kanaken/ivans!
+1
but maybe spain will take it tonight,who knows
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