Coincidence?

by Webby • 11 Jul 2008, 22:22 • Forums › Cheaters
image: bdot Coincidence?


Every single time PB updated in the last time it caused several of Kicks & Pbbans entry for some Guys. Most of them are already busted and known Cheaters.

Is it coincidence? Germany ScaTmaN_ got kicked on the last PB update too, he even made a post here on the Forums about it + Screenshot, couldnt find it anymore but i am sure its there.

All those Guy's (most of them are known cheaters) keep saying its a bug, but its not, seeing that most of known Cheaters got kicked too makes me think that its not a bug, what do you think?

image: bdot PBBans kick of him today: http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-18c88a04-vb79650.html
image: bdot CF Profile:
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=user&mode=view&id=6701

Flame on! I expect serious replies of cool guys but i also expect replies of known cheaters who keep using the Excuse "lOlOlo its a bUg!!!111".

It's not a fight/bust against/of only ScaTmaN, he was just the only one i know of the ones that got kicked besides the ones that are already busted.

image: scatmanmr0

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KIPE 11 Jul 2008, 23:24
ban , discuss ended
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 12:51
lOlOlo its a bUg!!!111
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KIPE 12 Jul 2008, 15:16
there is always possibilities
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Testi 11 Jul 2008, 23:25
well, scatman is a nice guy.. but i wont know if its either a bug, or not! we need K1lLerboy PL
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Deactivated5184 11 Jul 2008, 23:27
no we need someone from pbbans
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ETNiES 11 Jul 2008, 23:30
its nothing to do with fucking pbbans.. It is Punkbuster that is kicking not them, pbbans only logs the kicks and bans the guids AFTER Punkbuster itself bans.
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ScaTmaN 11 Jul 2008, 23:31
why it kicked me when i dont have hacks
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ETNiES 11 Jul 2008, 23:35
I dunno, at the start i thought it was for real but considering the amount of players that have got banned since that 193.. i think its abit to much for them all to be using the same hack
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:40
they dont have to use the same hack

many hacks cheats are using the same hooking method to hook the engine and pb simply adds a restriction to denie that, thats why many get kicked for the same
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ETNiES 11 Jul 2008, 23:46
they aren't gonna use the exact same method each one would be different if it's made by a different coders no?
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:54
i guess you dont have a clue how pb and gamehooks are working ;-)
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Slay0r 12 Jul 2008, 00:12
it seems you don't have a clue. when you would be right every hack (from the busts today) would have the same md5 checksum wether they are coded by nc or another coding-retard-thingie. only one letter in the code which is different is enough to change the whole md5-checksum....
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:14
LoL its not about MD5 at all lol.

its about the way cheats hook into the game. thats not md5 :DDDD

You simply do NOT have any clue about it... as your post proved.
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unblind 12 Jul 2008, 02:27
they arent detecting md5 checksums, for the most part they are detecting stuff interfacing with the game once its started and affecting the dll's
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ETNiES 12 Jul 2008, 00:25
so your saying they have detected Etbot and/or RShook EThook even though they are completly different cheats with different methods, I don't think so mr!
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:30
please its not about the hooks, get them out, its about the restriction pb adds to deny hooking it, they simply dont allow some parameters. That will affect many many cheats, thats why its Called #GAMEHOOK 133337 and not #ETBOT 133337

they cant detect every single cheat so they have to find a way to add a restriction to deny it, i cant explain it to you more since you dont know much about Pb ;)

its still a bad way to detect cheats, cause cheatmakers can easily bypass those restrictions... but hey thats pb ^^
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chaplja 12 Jul 2008, 02:11
Quotethey cant detect every single cheat so they have to find a way to add a restriction to deny it, i cant explain it to you more since you dont know much about Pb ;)

its still a bad way to detect cheats, cause cheatmakers can easily bypass those restrictions... but hey thats pb ^^


wtf man that's exactly what is bad about pb

they detect only a few hooking methods, mostly they concentrate on detecting cheats one by one, so they very rarely detect private ones

if pb started concentrating on detecting cheat methods only, it would maybe have some chance to be better
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klo5e 12 Jul 2008, 03:34
serious are u so dumb that cant see that its a bug?
i have been kicked 4times today and after i run my ccleaner and clean my register i joined to the uk and suddently,i repeat suddently i stop been kicked!

miracle?? or coincidence?!
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SsAP 12 Jul 2008, 00:46
Well, I still dunno what to believe....I played with ppl today, which I already know for a long time....knowing that none of them cheats..and noone was kicked..not us, not the oponent, noone:x coincidence?
(and yes, all of them had irc running, and all of them were in quite flooded channels):P
edit: and some of them were on a public srv aswell, while being connected to irc)
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Estaloth 11 Jul 2008, 23:30
who cares about killerboy? who is he, kind of oracle? i wouldn't say so
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m!das 12 Jul 2008, 00:22
he is a retard! :]
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Kiewan 12 Jul 2008, 00:28
midas for president!
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m!das 12 Jul 2008, 00:30
i totaly agree with you and my first action would be "ban killerboy from the internet!"
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Fisz 12 Jul 2008, 08:49
+5
ban this tard >:D
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clickstar 11 Jul 2008, 23:26
cheat for sure
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labroz 11 Jul 2008, 23:29
idd i got kicked again aswell :s
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pala 11 Jul 2008, 23:30
serius reply from a cool guy!
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Sup3r 11 Jul 2008, 23:30
nice picture
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:32
why that?

cause most of the public server are streaming to PBBans and updating PB very very fast. That's why.
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:34
The question is:

Why it kicks 80% known Cheaters / nC Customers and the rest 20% of the Guys are supposed to be clean?

That can't be. Cause PB kicks for strings, they are adding restrictions and stuff, so you have to use anything that are against those restritions or have a string
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Panda 12 Jul 2008, 00:13
The question is: WHAT IS THE QUESTIONNNNNNNNNNNN
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qpr 12 Jul 2008, 01:18
is the question what or question is what, what is this whaaaaaat
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kRONE 11 Jul 2008, 23:40
most obvious player ever.. ban
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caruzo 11 Jul 2008, 23:49
kRONE has spoken!
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kRONE 11 Jul 2008, 23:49
true dat.. i m not even sarcastic! can say what i want!
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caruzo 11 Jul 2008, 23:51
neither am i..i just loved it when you added this after any of your striking arguments n journals n stuff
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hvK 11 Jul 2008, 23:40
Quotei got kicked also by the first strike from netcoders for that "gamehack"


Yeah, we all did.
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:46
thats just another excuse...
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hvK 11 Jul 2008, 23:51
Indeed, due to him using this excuse I'd say it's his only option as he's panicking too much
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aNSI 11 Jul 2008, 23:40
i'm polish and didn't get kicked lololol some christmas present or what?
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kRONE 11 Jul 2008, 23:53
....yet
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aNSI 11 Jul 2008, 23:56
maybe im not that stupid to turn it on when its detected heh?
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kRONE 12 Jul 2008, 00:25
why need to lie?
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aNSI 12 Jul 2008, 00:44
i don't cheat, i'm clean u gotta believe me even if u hate me, i hate cheaters and always will, i am not a cheater, i haven't been at lan bcoz my girlfriend didn't let me go, he said there are better ways to spend a time
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qpr 12 Jul 2008, 01:19
gnajda here
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Deactivated6634 12 Jul 2008, 02:25
ur gf is a HE ? xD
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aNSI 12 Jul 2008, 16:59
gnajda never told me its some problem =C
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kRONE 11 Jul 2008, 23:41
hacker..ban
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Kiewan 11 Jul 2008, 23:43
im famous! and ban scatman that dirty cheater!
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kRONE 11 Jul 2008, 23:53
yup... but after you, sir!
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:45
for example "United Kingdom Cupper" on Crossfire got kicked on the last update (same as scatman) too and today he got kicked too.

Coincidence again?

:DDDDDDDDDDD

doubt it
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Furiouz 12 Jul 2008, 13:13
somehow youre funny
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bronze 11 Jul 2008, 23:49
coincidence

image: coincidence
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Smurftang 11 Jul 2008, 23:53
whoever thinks scatman cheats is the biggest retard ever.
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Estaloth 11 Jul 2008, 23:58
and c-u-n-t.

+1 :D
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TosspoT 11 Jul 2008, 23:54
Scatman played on LAN iirc? Surely adds a little weight to coincidence school of thought
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Webby 11 Jul 2008, 23:57
Cause he played on LAN makes him Clean?

Ohhh Kenta played on LAN too, didnt he? :}

As said, i just cant believe the fact that its coincidence that cupper, scatman and others got kicked for it again ;)
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 12:38
i wasnt busted last time - what was last time? i mean the #??
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ScaTmaN 11 Jul 2008, 23:57
and i allready calculate for cdc5 :o
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kRONE 12 Jul 2008, 00:25
means fuckin nothing... ( hi perfo )
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Deactivated7001 12 Jul 2008, 01:25
And he played bad...
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ENSJQM 12 Jul 2008, 03:52
he also plays bad online though :-)
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Deactivated7001 12 Jul 2008, 12:08
never doubted that... :P
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pupupup 11 Jul 2008, 23:56
mmm
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HellHammer 11 Jul 2008, 23:58
i thought it was kinda funny 8<
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:00
its not about being suspicious in anyway

- you could still use any sort of advantage that isnt allowed @ PB

- you could still tried a Public cheat and not a cheat for competition.

I know it was bad to compare kenta with you but just about the LAN factor tosspot brang in.

ITS NOT ABOUT LAN.

I can go to lan too, and @ home i cheat @ public or are using a nodamage hack or something like that...

There are many possibilities to cheat...

Don't you agreee? as said its nothing personal against you, could be everyone that kicked for it today and isnt already busted
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ScaTmaN 12 Jul 2008, 00:01
i never cheated , why you wanna see me banned i dont get it ? no life or something?

go out its friday night .
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:03
Sorry but with this reply you look even more like a Cheater.

I never flamed you, did I?

I never said you are a Cheater, did I?

I simply dont believe that its a coincidence that you and other guys got kicked AGAIN.

Besides that, you dont seem to have many real life yourself so dont come up with this retarded internet flame...
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ScaTmaN 12 Jul 2008, 00:08
coz its anyoing ffs , how you would react if anyone say you are a cheater and say facts like " it looks now more you cheat " , i played 4 yrs without any hacks ET that I KNOW!

and now some dude like you say " maybe you tryed it" or blabla ..

Should i be happy and say " hey thx 4 info ? :) "
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:12
No but why do you even start an argument?

If you dont cheat you dont have tho be afraid of getting banned.

I understand you, but you dont have to flame someone personal for busting you.

I am sorry that i've picked you and not Cupper for example.

Remove the Cheater in my upper reply and add "Fool".

I simply hate this retarded crossfire flame of kids who cant discuss normal and respect others opinions...
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Sup3r 12 Jul 2008, 00:00
too bad to cheat !
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Estaloth 12 Jul 2008, 00:07
says who? :XD
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sVANARI 12 Jul 2008, 05:47
Almighty Sup3rman!
image: superman
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walle 12 Jul 2008, 00:14
everyone was thinking same about you :D
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Sup3r 12 Jul 2008, 00:18
but I proved them wrong , didnt I !
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Rickk 12 Jul 2008, 00:33
need more skinnyjeans!
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walle 12 Jul 2008, 00:02
well, you werent obvious, but that still doesnt prove anything. waiting for your confession...
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waaK- 12 Jul 2008, 00:10
well ppl saying its a bug becouse so many have been caught?..

maybe all of them bought a certain lowbiebot for X amount of euros..

now they are gettin kicked and whining its a bug..

hopefully its not a bug so we can see that PB really CAN do something about these lowbie hackers.

im just a bit drunk so who cares what im saying.

vittuäskdee
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GrB 12 Jul 2008, 00:13
ban that suckerr!! hacker and nothing else!
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crook 12 Jul 2008, 00:18
witje got kicked for it, so it has to be a bug tbh
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 12:39
he plays with sFx, he cheats
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risee 12 Jul 2008, 00:18
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-latest50-et-lfb2.html

ppl are getting kicked every second minute.
do you really think that soooooooo many people, especially so many public only players from all over the world, would buy/use a private bot? even the same one? i can't imagine that.
and scatman doesn't play like a cheater at all xd
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bettina 12 Jul 2008, 09:33
most cheaters are public only
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risee 12 Jul 2008, 11:59
still... just have a look at pbbans.
at least in my opinion it is a bug.
i don't care though since i didn't get banned.
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Sup3r 12 Jul 2008, 00:20
nC strikes again =(
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YEOJ 12 Jul 2008, 00:20
I got kicked for Unallowed progam/driver couple weeks ago, together with 603 players total, 603 of em were unknown strangers/random players like me.

none of them played higher than med+ (if there were a med+high player kicked, than im sure killerboy would alrdy posted bout it)

So are u saying that 603players were hacking? yet they all played at a low/med level?

Is it a bug, hack. idk and tbh idc. but dont talk bullshit that every weird pb kick is a hacker. since its not always a hack. i would say lets just wait and see what happens, IF nC indeed releases a new update for rshook, than u can be sure that it was a hack. if nC doesnt do shit, it's bug. simple as that.
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 00:23
according to some nc customers on irc: rshook ethook etbot are detected and were affected by this gamehook, there was even a channel #gamehook there some guys said that...
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rize 12 Jul 2008, 00:42
afaik these undetectable nc-cheats will be updated every 2 days, dont they?
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Kiewan 12 Jul 2008, 01:12
ones a month if necessary
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rize 12 Jul 2008, 01:14
how was it the first time as alexL and lio were kicked (for another reason). Were haxes updated right after it?
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Kiewan 12 Jul 2008, 01:24
they didnt need to update it, since PB removed the strings
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rize 12 Jul 2008, 01:26
hopefully they wont remove it now
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dEzIrE 12 Jul 2008, 00:23
maybe its some line again @ irc or w/e and they let gnajda and stuff also kick for the thingy just to make it more believeble
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SsAP 12 Jul 2008, 00:56
It's definitely not a sting over irc, been playing about 5 hours today(was bored) with irc on...nothing happened at all
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duNzy 12 Jul 2008, 00:33
don't fuck with scatman
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mAnki 12 Jul 2008, 00:33
BAN ALLL
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trigerek 12 Jul 2008, 00:37
2day i saw Palemki get kicked like 2-3 times from server @ sum random 3v3 scrim :DDD

But i think it's rather a bug (but i'd be rly happy if it wasn't ...)
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Homer 12 Jul 2008, 10:13
Fortunately, later on he found a solution and could play.
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mOsq 12 Jul 2008, 00:48
Kick is Kick if there is a bug and kick all the people u can unban him later !
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envyy 12 Jul 2008, 01:15
Its maybe old file cvars or something whos left in the et directory or something whos bin left behind after the hax / rly dunno but maybe it could
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artyoM 12 Jul 2008, 01:18
all my friends who are not cheating (101% sure) are not kicked :)
but all the guys where i think they are cheating just like faux or blizzard got kicked

bust them please
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risee 12 Jul 2008, 01:45
don't compare faux to these kicks. faux wasn't kicked for such a ethook msg with a random number but for a etbot key binding match.
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artyoM 12 Jul 2008, 02:11
oh true but still ^^
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parra 12 Jul 2008, 01:42
pi rapi padopop
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ohzor4 12 Jul 2008, 02:20
hacks, bibuy
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 06:18
actually, none of my m8s or I have gotten kicked and we've played with msn, irc, etc open. I'm also sure we don't cheat, 100%. Yet people like palemki and stuff get kicked.
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TheDuck 12 Jul 2008, 10:24
QuoteI'm also sure we don't cheat, 100%.


Yeah, you can be trusted.
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 10:35
actually to people that know me and why i was banned, i can indeed be trusted :P
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walle 12 Jul 2008, 15:50
why were you banned?
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 15:57
d i dont like writing excuses, but i cheated with 5 friends (wouldnt of done it alone) on a random pub with stens when nexus was popular, and i never denied doing it. when someone asked me on crossfire, i told them yeah i've used nexus on a pub, bulld0g saw it, researched a bit and banned me.
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crook 12 Jul 2008, 14:42
one guy i know from whom im sure he isnt cheating got kicked for it
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 14:45
name?
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crook 12 Jul 2008, 15:36
witje, obj player who gets 27acc 1 headshot on a 15minute map ;)))
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 15:38
maybe he had some cheat traces from trying it on pub or sth..
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crook 12 Jul 2008, 15:50
this isnt a free hack right? Why would he get it to try it out on pub :o
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 15:56
it could be that the kick applies to several diffrent hacks
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crook 12 Jul 2008, 16:06
he says he never even tried a hack, and i believe him. So afaik there might be some justified kicks, but there are certainly some innocent ppl
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lahq 12 Jul 2008, 09:39
I don't think it is a bug, just face it that ET got that many hackers :).
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M T M 12 Jul 2008, 10:15
This looks as weird as the #GAMEHACK thingy. None of my friends got kicked for it and suddenly all the suspicious and obvious guys getting kicked for it?

Unless this isn't a very big conspiracy by God or so..... I won't believe they are clean. I mean - is there really a guy who can cause all this? Doubt it. Somehow I don't even believe in the raskL case, or whoever/whatever caused it.

ps. Why can't pbbans just tell us if it's a bug or not?
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fredd 12 Jul 2008, 10:36
well obviously raskL was just trying to get attention, he wasnt behind it, but you did indeed get kicked if someone told you the hack string on irc, thats a fact.
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chaplja 12 Jul 2008, 12:24
exactly :)

nc has some people who are capable of doing it, but raskl is definitely not one of them
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Sigur 12 Jul 2008, 10:41
we need killerboy to solve this mystery

oh wait...
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Webby 12 Jul 2008, 10:44
If it would be a bug (again) pb would've changed the kick message like they did on the last time + pbbans would remove all the kicks from the MBL.

But they won't...
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teente 12 Jul 2008, 11:11
i just like the mentality of crossfire users. Why to fuck should that be a bug? Just because many players got kicked its a bug? Please go and die of cancer if you cant accept that pb actually made a worthy update that helped us get rid of tens of retards.
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 12:48
hundreds even

+ u r dumb as fuck - as well as porty - you guys have no idea - you will see the bans get lifted and youll wonder why the fuck you are so mentally and in your case even physically retarded...
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joop 12 Jul 2008, 13:45
You should try to stay nice. I do not believe you hack, but you can't blame people for hoping that these players are all cheaters and thus get banned.

When I first saw some names I thought nice, fucking cheaters busted. Then I saw your name and thought, damn, that's a bug.
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 14:04
ill remain nice now..
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Kiewan 12 Jul 2008, 16:04
i always found you playing wierd blizzy, how unexpected!
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teente 12 Jul 2008, 17:34
still nothing changes that u guys are the ones kicked for gamehack. I'm not the one who needs to prove to be a clean guy. It's you who needs to do that and you certainly wont accomplish that by spraying "retard" everywhere. As long as you dont prove that its a bug ill happily call you cheaters. Once youve proven it to be a bug ill have no problem accepting it. You can shut the fuck up for now and spare me with your "ffs cant u understant its a bug, get brain, ur retarded" comments.
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bl1zzardx 20 Jul 2008, 11:24
i was right.. end of the story RETARD
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teente 20 Jul 2008, 12:22
you could actually get brain now and read what i wrote. oh ill have to write it again for you are unable to find information in a text longer than 1 line

"Once youve proven it to be a bug ill have no problem accepting it."

see? it was proved. Im wondering why im actually replying to such limited person who is limited to spraying "retard" all the way long. Im gonna be rude now just because my patience with retards has run off.

PLEASE YOU DUMB FUCK COULD YOU SPARE ME YOUR IDIOCY AND NOT REPLY TO ME WITH ONE OF YOUR "RETARD" COMMENTS? GO NOW AND SPREAD CUM BECAUSE YOU WERE FAULTLY KICKED BY PB FOR CHEATING AND HAVE GOTTEN YOUR RETRIBUTION.

I want few points for this so im gonna write some more words aimed at you

RETARD
RETARD
RETARD
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klo5e 12 Jul 2008, 14:52
retarded get a brain dude
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Furiouz 12 Jul 2008, 13:14
is this about all those kicks for multi hack ?
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bl1zzardx 12 Jul 2008, 15:19
its for game hook #120120
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jiN- 12 Jul 2008, 21:25
ban him < easy ..
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