hmm.. I used too harsh words. its just that the ones you named are the ones that often lead their teams to victory.
I bet you're used to be also one of those players as an ingame leader of EC finalist clan but my opinions towards you are bit strict as I consider you as an attention whore & ex-cheater
[I mean that you prolly feel like "I should be on the list too since I leaded polarjunk52evolvewhatsoever to EC final"]
Nah, I don't think of myself as an influential player for spectators to watch that's why I don't deserve to be on the list :) I just named the players most spectators love to watch because of the actions they do/used to do
well, you're the one who has been playing them lately so you're right I guess but that doesnt change the fact that they still are the keyplayers of their teams
cant proof that they didnt but it also isnt proven that they did. so for now we have to assume they didnt and therefore i think they should deserve a chance.
The fact that they cheated in public already means its proved they cheated ... however you cant proof they didnt cheat in clanbase matches so case closed,remove them :].
because its only proven they have cheated on a public now thats a whole different setting then a eurocup match. i wont remove these banned players before its proven that they have cheated in a eurocup match and therefore their performance was not human. if it wasnt human they dont deserve to be judged like it was human so they cant get an award for being a valuable player. now as long as it isnt proven that they have cheated IN A CLANBASE EUROCUP MATCH im assuming they were clean during the eurocup and therefore they are still on the list.
look im not saying they shouldnt have been banned or smthn.
all im saying is that were talking about the value of a player here. the value is based on how he played. so the goal of this award is to determine who added the most to the game. now cheating would mean you are unnaturally adding value to your own game to increase your chances.
this award is taking the terrain of the eurocup. so if someone in the eurocup was adding value to his game unnaturally by using cheats, he wouldve been deleted from the list. but since all of the players banned cheated outside the eurocup. they didnt boost their value unnaturally. so they still get the chance to be awarded most valuable player.
I think you're 100% wrong actually. What if I was caught cheating several times on a public, a lot of times praccing 3on3 and 6on6, mixes, pick-up games - basically everywhere except a ClanBase game? Would you still keep me in your poll? Would you say "I have no proof that you cheated in a ClanBase game", and assume that I didn't? A cheater is a cheater, that's it. You're wrong to include these people in your poll.
if a cheater is a cheater why is razz still allowed to play?
altough he has had his punishment he still is a cheater and maybe even cheated later than perfo did. so just because perfo was caught later than razz, perfo isnt allowed to be on this list, and razz actually is? that doesnt seem fair to me.
razz didn't cheat under the same conditions as perfo(/his brother)/keran/shy/whoever, rivatuner is a whole different kettle of fish; most people weren't even aware there was a rule about it until he got banned, and tbh, what are the chances of you catching someone hacking during an official? the only instance i remember is allu, and he had his aimbot on full settings, so ... @ you!
Absurd that the community has the same lenient stance as ClanBase towards our dear banned cheaters. I long back to the times when a cheater was just a cheater.
Apart from that, imagine this award being won by one of the banned guys. That would be pretty damn retarded, if not an example of the farce the Enemy Territory community has become.
well thats why i chose to let the final winner be decided by a panel of 5 experienced people in the community. im not sure who theyre going to be yet but i dont think theyll chose one of the banned players.
because they played matches in the Eurocup without using hacks and were banned for using hacks on a public.
they are banned because they deserve a punishment for using hacks on a public server because that's also part of the ET community. but there's no reason to burn everything they've done or achieved just because they used hacks on a public and in perfo's case even 1 or 2 years ago. i just think that the matches they played in the Eurocup were clean and therefore they are legitimate to be on this list.
They cheated -> got banned -> should be removed from the list since you cant proof they DIDNT cheat in the clanbase matches while it is proved that they cheated.
Its not even a case about proving that they cheated .. its already been proved,you have to be able to proof that they didnt cheat in the clanbase matches or just remove them from the list.
i hate this system in europe, that you have to proof that you are not guilty. i prefer the us version where the complainant has to proof that you are guilty.
how ever, i can give you all my ec demo´s they i guess they proof that i never used hax in ec match, its just not possible to suck so hard with hax :<
Ehm you have been proven to be guilty of cheating .. thats why you have to proof to be not guilty in the clanbase matches,if you werent caught cheating I wouldnt mind a bit. :]
Like I said,public or EC match there is no difference .. you cheated why should we believe you on your word that you only cheated once and public only.
Explain to me why there is a huge difference in that, cheating = cheating no matter what cup,league or whatever "fun thing".
If you think its fun to cheat on a noob public .. why do you cheat there,if your playing on EC level you should be able to own them with your own skill just as bad or are you not good enough and needed an extra ego boost to hear from lowskillers that your oh so good.
as i said few times in other discussion like this before (btw: you guys allways got the same ultrafunny arguments):
i wanted to check out rifle/mortar cam and wanted to see the ultra nice custom hud.
well how ever im banned so no need to whine anymore right? :)
Yeah, but this is about something else... Public cheating has an effect on competition, pub players, and the game overall. You and all other "cheat testers" or whatever should realize that.
The average nC-user would say something like "BeCuZ is fun to annoy people XD Al pepole mad when they get OWNED by ME! RAgING SERVERS AND PEOPLE LEAVE HAHAHAHAAHAHAH BEST FUN EVER!".
i dont care about anyone drowning in tears, i just want people to be able to pick every eurocup player. and youre one of them. doesnt matter if you cheated on a public once.
it does matter that he cheated in a public in the perspective of him playing matches in the future. so i fully support his ban. thats not my point. im just saying it doest matter if he cheated on a public in the perspective of him playing past matches in the EC. and i think i'm right about that because CB didn't forfeit the matches either.
now if the matches wouldve been forfeited, that wouldve been another story but since theyre not, i think its fully reasonable to let them be on the list.
I'm surprised by you, I think you're making a mistake, the same one ClanBase made and continues to make. A cheat is a cheat, stop trying to use your judgement, there's no need for it here.
well im also surprised by frop and you, i dont see why its such a problem. its just an award for the player that performed the best during the EC, now if one used unnatural means to increase his performance during that EC he would be cheating in the perspective of this award. so he would be deleted from the list.
in my opinion i have no reason to delete them. i understand both frop's and your point, its not that i think you're completely wrong. but i chose to keep them in and that's my point of view, and it's not going to change...
People still embrace Night as the best player in ET no matter what kind of performance he has done. So-called fanboyism is what manipulates the outcome of polls.
That's true, although the majority of ET never even admired my playing style :) I know I'm overrated as fuck and I couldn't care less, but I'm not the worst player for sure
"The top 5 players after two weeks of voting will continue to the next stage of this award, which is a panel of 5 people, all with different nationalities."
I get the British vote, k ?
Seriously though. Winghaven, aCoZz, Butchji, Sqzz, Squall. Something like that.
well i rly liked 2 guiyz from tlr; aCoZz for being rly the best rifle.. in this ec, and Winghaven for being nice spammer and decent fild ! ... cant decide who to choose :(
I will vote only for busted cheaters, to make this look more serious. Most stupid thing to do is to include them, great job! Damn, and I even won't have any votes left to vote for my favourite and players. :(
you've also gotta consider the negatives kris and fobje brought to the team, aswell as adacore's use as a stable backup / tactician - and evolve wouldn't be half as good without toxic leading in game >) razz and sqzz are very good, but they're not the only reason for pi being in the final ;p
xylos no dubt, hes been outstanding this season and is the best rifle in et imo... would evolve be the champs without him constantly rackin the kills? i think not!
Well thats clearly obvius that without xlyos evolve wouldnt get far in this EC and yes he has a bigger impact on evolves play than any other. What I wanted to say was that sqzz is one of their main players too.
If they wouldnt have sqzz, they wouldnt set such a great times on both maps, or any map in whole EC.
Besides capturing a flag he was a great medic too, one of the best in EC.
So yesterday they wouldn't set great times on both maps if they hadn't had sqzz. rofl? Are you stupid or something? What did he do? Fill Pro5 with fear? He jumped 1 time to the flag @ Bremen and he was too late with capturing it and due to the fact he lost his aim that can't be it either.
I don't even think he revived Razz when he was repairing the tank, cos I think that was Future.
The only nice thing I saw sqzz doing was killing 2 guys rushing to the truck on Bremen, that's it.
So tell me once again what EXACTLY did he do that made evolve win this game?
Haha, plz he did an awesome flag capture at bremen. And I wasnt talking about yesterdays match only but about whole EC, and I didnt say that u have to agree with me about sqzz being the best player in this EC. He didnt play for a while but he is still very good and i admire that.
Erm either you need to concentrate more on the game or you need glasses it was Sqzz who picked up Razz by the tank, Future picked up Sqzz, but alas you seem anti Sqzz so no surprise in your comment is there.
on topic: Sqzz!
My guess people will vote for
night
butchji
sqzz
mAus
Winghaven
mystic
i beat hentai and viax easily
we should race!
Raveneye might also be included in those
and ofc, for the polaks, kot or wiesiek ;P
and xylos didnt even come in the top 3 of the last top 5 riflers, so please he sux
[CONSIDERING U CANT VOTE FOR YOURSELF OFC]
now you can be an ignorant fool that copies other people's behaviour or you could think to yourselve: "hey, hes right"
huren$ohnlichst perfo
I bet you're used to be also one of those players as an ingame leader of EC finalist clan but my opinions towards you are bit strict as I consider you as an attention whore & ex-cheater
[I mean that you prolly feel like "I should be on the list too since I leaded polarjunk52evolvewhatsoever to EC final"]
cheating = cheating.
all im saying is that were talking about the value of a player here. the value is based on how he played. so the goal of this award is to determine who added the most to the game. now cheating would mean you are unnaturally adding value to your own game to increase your chances.
this award is taking the terrain of the eurocup. so if someone in the eurocup was adding value to his game unnaturally by using cheats, he wouldve been deleted from the list. but since all of the players banned cheated outside the eurocup. they didnt boost their value unnaturally. so they still get the chance to be awarded most valuable player.
altough he has had his punishment he still is a cheater and maybe even cheated later than perfo did. so just because perfo was caught later than razz, perfo isnt allowed to be on this list, and razz actually is? that doesnt seem fair to me.
i mean its all about timing... if perfo had been caught 1 week later, he would have been able to play the EC final.
he is now caught for a hack he did earlier than for example razz, but now has to pay the consequences on a worse time than razz...
[16:09] <M1lk`i> werkt fucking goed :P
Apart from that, imagine this award being won by one of the banned guys. That would be pretty damn retarded, if not an example of the farce the Enemy Territory community has become.
they are banned because they deserve a punishment for using hacks on a public server because that's also part of the ET community. but there's no reason to burn everything they've done or achieved just because they used hacks on a public and in perfo's case even 1 or 2 years ago. i just think that the matches they played in the Eurocup were clean and therefore they are legitimate to be on this list.
Its not even a case about proving that they cheated .. its already been proved,you have to be able to proof that they didnt cheat in the clanbase matches or just remove them from the list.
how ever, i can give you all my ec demo´s they i guess they proof that i never used hax in ec match, its just not possible to suck so hard with hax :<
EDIT:
@topic: feel free to remove me from this list...
so i _must_ be defininatly cheating in ec matches.
what a joke...
EDIT:
and as i said, you can see all my ec demos or what else do you want as proof?
who cares about pub?
If you think its fun to cheat on a noob public .. why do you cheat there,if your playing on EC level you should be able to own them with your own skill just as bad or are you not good enough and needed an extra ego boost to hear from lowskillers that your oh so good.
i wanted to check out rifle/mortar cam and wanted to see the ultra nice custom hud.
well how ever im banned so no need to whine anymore right? :)
"I only cheated on public once"
"I wanted to see something and tested it on a public"
if you wanted to see the hud or anything why didnt you ask for screenshots.
you can read what i think about pub players here: http://www.xfire.be/?x=forum&mode=item&id=6319
read what i think about pub players here: http://www.xfire.be/?x=forum&mode=item&id=6319
no need to type it over and over again -_-
<3
just because i dont care about pub players? - nice argumentation.
as i said feel free if you want to, before everyone here ends up drowned in tears.
it doesn't make any difference to me.
now if the matches wouldve been forfeited, that wouldve been another story but since theyre not, i think its fully reasonable to let them be on the list.
in my opinion i have no reason to delete them. i understand both frop's and your point, its not that i think you're completely wrong. but i chose to keep them in and that's my point of view, and it's not going to change...
and the majority of the community was low/low+ and just a few med/high :]
Squall
Night
cant decide from all of them who was the most valuable. maybe j52 were the mostvaluable player as a team :O::O:
:)))
ever seen a penis/dick writing a newsreport?
the closest thing to that is Rhand writing a matchreport.
np
He was a very important player for uC. Very skilled aimer and he is doing everything for the team and a very good ingameleader.
imo
all 5 busted so they have to be fucking good!
I'd vote for gifty!
I get the British vote, k ?
Seriously though. Winghaven, aCoZz, Butchji, Sqzz, Squall. Something like that.
Those who tested cheats in the middle of a eurocup season!
GG
Vote Wing - this year he finally went from overrated soldier to a really skilled fop with great smg-aim.
ah im sorry, guess you werent in the lineups on clanbase or gamestv.org...
My vote goes to razz.
and dont fear! there will be another ec in 2 months because the admins are soooooo cool, like the last time
nice list xrio...the hungarian flag just looks a bit like the old german flag from the 3rd reich
you did!
sorry :< ill add you :D
Make it 10 players, not 5!
hes not a bad player, and he used to be quite good, but 1 of the best? please
aza
np
not even almighty Reikkeri is better zomg
So yea xylos or sqzz one of those.
Besides capturing a flag he was a great medic too, one of the best in EC.
I don't even think he revived Razz when he was repairing the tank, cos I think that was Future.
The only nice thing I saw sqzz doing was killing 2 guys rushing to the truck on Bremen, that's it.
So tell me once again what EXACTLY did he do that made evolve win this game?
And I am not anti Sqzz, I am anti-Sqzzfanboyism.
drago
toxic
night
fuck that...winghaven tbh
FOR SHORE!