Hard evidence is what we really need in order to draw a conclusion, luckily enough various people have made little clips about Jo0f. We have to examine these with a pinch of salt though since the only ones interested in making these are the same ones accusing him of cheating. Collecting all these so called “avi’.s” was an easy task as I had the help of Killerboy, the one pretty much leading the hunt on our Dutch friend.
1. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/5hs.avi]Clip one[/url] )
This first clip that I saw is one that made me laugh. Summing it up is pretty easy, Jo0f shoots 5 headshots with a sten and he was rather lucky to do so. Nevertheless a lot of people got suspicious because of this coincidence. Objectivity forces us to decide not guilty here, just extremely lucky.
2. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/jo0fwall.avi]Clip two[/url] )
The second clip is called jo0fwall, again we find ourselves on Bremen and this time doubt enters my mind. The whole action starts with Jo0f shooting through a tree and/or wall but he doesn’t hit since bullets obviously don’t pierce solid material in Enemy Territory. This whole action can be explained by the fact that there usually are people in those windows and shooting at them mostly turns out to be good decision.
Yet right after this our friend takes a quick view at the command-post where you see an axis player hidden behind the wall and to our surprise Jo0f’s aim stops there for a fraction of a second. You have to examine this closely though because r_shownormals 1 doesn’t show everything in the map, it only shows what is being rendered by the player’s pc. The player where he aims at is visible for a little while before disappearing, some seconds later he appears in the doorway again and Joof his aim swiftly finds his way to him.
It certainly isn’t enough to convict him but it is a strange action, nothing more but certainly nothing less.
3. ( [urlnew=http://supraservers.net/bhstyle/joofbusted.avi]Clip three[/url] )
Our third clip is joofbusted but in fact it is nothing like that. While a player is 999 he can’t send any packets to the server. We’ve all experienced a situation in which we can still move our aim yet can’t move ourselves, and we of course see other players moving as well, this obviously is one of those.
While a player can’t send any packets to the server it doesn’t matter whether he has aimbot or not since whatever the aimbot wants to do doesn’t happen, his commands never reach the server. Jo0f most likely moved his crosshair while being lagged out. The moment the lag ended his aim instantly jumped towards where he was already aiming, only to lag out again immediately after. This clip contains no proof at all, it’s a product of the ignorance of our ettv-viewers and the general paranoia.
4. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/loljoof.avi]Clip four[/url] )
The fourth clip loljoof is a nice piece of aiming in which he hands out three headshots to night from a considerable distance. But is this really special I ask myself, and the answer I come up with is that it isn’t. The sten is the most accurate weapon in the game, it pretty much always hits where you are aiming at and Night wasn’t moving and wasn’t shooting back at Jo0f. All these factors combined make it relatively easy to shoot these headshots, again we find ourselves in the situation of no proof at all.
5. ( [urlnew=http://w0nd3r.ls-et.de/superslow.avi]Clip five[/url] )
The fifth clip is called superslow and it contains a camping action on Goldrush. Jo0f finds himself in a certain corner looking at side. The first 15 seconds equal jack since he’s just tracking a player way too slow not hitting him at all. But then something funny happens, he puts his aim back at side. So what, he’s meant to watch side you idiot… and yes he is meant to watch side and it would make a lot of sense to do so if only his aim didn’t stop on someone’s head. That someone just happens to be behind a wall with a grenade in his hand and it makes me wonder if this is lotto or a fatal mistake.
When the first medic leaves his side and goes into the corner it makes sense to keep your aim where Jo0f keeps it just in case he comes back. This logic would conclude that the crosshair would be on the second medic’s head by accident. Fair enough I would say.
But when that second medic moves Jo0f his aim moves as well and this makes no sense at all, this certainly is the most suspicious action I have seen from him in all these clips so far. Right now I would say that this was a fatal mistake and that our friend Jo0f is most likely to be busted soon.
6. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/joofmakesyoushatbricks.avi]Clip six[/url] )
Joofmakesyoushatbricks is the epically funny name of the sixth clip I received. A nice form of childish internet humour I’d say but then again, the internet wouldn’t be half the fun it is today without those precious kids annoying the rest of us. So far for my tirade, this clip needs to be examined as well.
And holy fuck this one leaves a lot of room for discussions. It is perfectly possible that Jo0f was only checking the first corner to then check the second one right after because the engineer usually hides there after planting. This makes a lot of sense and I see no suspicious elements at all …
Call me stupid or retarded but I’d swear there is a medic behind the wall when Jo0f preshoots the first time and obviously there is. There is nothing wrong with preshooting but being unlucky that there is a guy behind the wall for the third time in six clips forces me to question the validity of the excuses Jo0f and his random friends make up. Here I will make the same conclusion I did with the previous clip, this is suspicious to say the least.
7. ( [urlnew=http://rapidshare.com/files/134741456/Untitled.avi.html]Clip seven[/url] )
The seventh one is called Untitled and after watching it I find myself doubting the honesty of Jo0f again. It is less suspicious than the last two clips, however this one is open for discussion again. While he draws nearer to the exit of the passageway between side and main on Braundorf he’s looking in the direction the Axis are bound to be. So far so good I hear you think, so far so good is what I’m thinking myself. But he keeps on moving his crosshair a little bit as if he wants to improve the position it will be on when he comes out, and surprisingly enough it follows the strafing pattern of an axis medic on a parallel level. No need to use the word suspicious again, you should have figured it out by yourself by now.
8. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/manji.avi]Clip eight[/url] )
This last clip is the longest one. It starts off with an action already discussed earlier in this column so I’ll skip that part. Then he happens to put his crosshair on someone who’s behind a tank and wall but this could be luck since his aim only stays there very briefly. However after this as Jo0f is walking up the stairs under the bridge he puts his aim on someone’s head and lets it rest there for a second. Why someone would put his aim on that position on the wall makes no sense to me at all, I find this very unbelievable to be an unlucky action.
It’s not over yet as the clip continues and our comrade find himself behind the bank trying to preshoot someone camping on the left. That there was player in that vicinity can be explained by ventrilo communications yes but it remains very strange to see that Jo0f happens to pick the exact right spot again.
The shooting at the docrunner is perfectly normal since they probably told Jo0f he was going short.
Now that all the shreds of evidence have been discussed by my more or less objective mind, and on a more or less professional level it’s time to go to the general conclusion.
1. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/5hs.avi]Clip one[/url] )
This first clip that I saw is one that made me laugh. Summing it up is pretty easy, Jo0f shoots 5 headshots with a sten and he was rather lucky to do so. Nevertheless a lot of people got suspicious because of this coincidence. Objectivity forces us to decide not guilty here, just extremely lucky.
2. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/jo0fwall.avi]Clip two[/url] )
The second clip is called jo0fwall, again we find ourselves on Bremen and this time doubt enters my mind. The whole action starts with Jo0f shooting through a tree and/or wall but he doesn’t hit since bullets obviously don’t pierce solid material in Enemy Territory. This whole action can be explained by the fact that there usually are people in those windows and shooting at them mostly turns out to be good decision.
Yet right after this our friend takes a quick view at the command-post where you see an axis player hidden behind the wall and to our surprise Jo0f’s aim stops there for a fraction of a second. You have to examine this closely though because r_shownormals 1 doesn’t show everything in the map, it only shows what is being rendered by the player’s pc. The player where he aims at is visible for a little while before disappearing, some seconds later he appears in the doorway again and Joof his aim swiftly finds his way to him.
It certainly isn’t enough to convict him but it is a strange action, nothing more but certainly nothing less.
3. ( [urlnew=http://supraservers.net/bhstyle/joofbusted.avi]Clip three[/url] )
Our third clip is joofbusted but in fact it is nothing like that. While a player is 999 he can’t send any packets to the server. We’ve all experienced a situation in which we can still move our aim yet can’t move ourselves, and we of course see other players moving as well, this obviously is one of those.
While a player can’t send any packets to the server it doesn’t matter whether he has aimbot or not since whatever the aimbot wants to do doesn’t happen, his commands never reach the server. Jo0f most likely moved his crosshair while being lagged out. The moment the lag ended his aim instantly jumped towards where he was already aiming, only to lag out again immediately after. This clip contains no proof at all, it’s a product of the ignorance of our ettv-viewers and the general paranoia.
4. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/loljoof.avi]Clip four[/url] )
The fourth clip loljoof is a nice piece of aiming in which he hands out three headshots to night from a considerable distance. But is this really special I ask myself, and the answer I come up with is that it isn’t. The sten is the most accurate weapon in the game, it pretty much always hits where you are aiming at and Night wasn’t moving and wasn’t shooting back at Jo0f. All these factors combined make it relatively easy to shoot these headshots, again we find ourselves in the situation of no proof at all.
5. ( [urlnew=http://w0nd3r.ls-et.de/superslow.avi]Clip five[/url] )
The fifth clip is called superslow and it contains a camping action on Goldrush. Jo0f finds himself in a certain corner looking at side. The first 15 seconds equal jack since he’s just tracking a player way too slow not hitting him at all. But then something funny happens, he puts his aim back at side. So what, he’s meant to watch side you idiot… and yes he is meant to watch side and it would make a lot of sense to do so if only his aim didn’t stop on someone’s head. That someone just happens to be behind a wall with a grenade in his hand and it makes me wonder if this is lotto or a fatal mistake.
When the first medic leaves his side and goes into the corner it makes sense to keep your aim where Jo0f keeps it just in case he comes back. This logic would conclude that the crosshair would be on the second medic’s head by accident. Fair enough I would say.
But when that second medic moves Jo0f his aim moves as well and this makes no sense at all, this certainly is the most suspicious action I have seen from him in all these clips so far. Right now I would say that this was a fatal mistake and that our friend Jo0f is most likely to be busted soon.
6. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/Killerboy/Movies/joofmakesyoushatbricks.avi]Clip six[/url] )
Joofmakesyoushatbricks is the epically funny name of the sixth clip I received. A nice form of childish internet humour I’d say but then again, the internet wouldn’t be half the fun it is today without those precious kids annoying the rest of us. So far for my tirade, this clip needs to be examined as well.
And holy fuck this one leaves a lot of room for discussions. It is perfectly possible that Jo0f was only checking the first corner to then check the second one right after because the engineer usually hides there after planting. This makes a lot of sense and I see no suspicious elements at all …
Call me stupid or retarded but I’d swear there is a medic behind the wall when Jo0f preshoots the first time and obviously there is. There is nothing wrong with preshooting but being unlucky that there is a guy behind the wall for the third time in six clips forces me to question the validity of the excuses Jo0f and his random friends make up. Here I will make the same conclusion I did with the previous clip, this is suspicious to say the least.
7. ( [urlnew=http://rapidshare.com/files/134741456/Untitled.avi.html]Clip seven[/url] )
The seventh one is called Untitled and after watching it I find myself doubting the honesty of Jo0f again. It is less suspicious than the last two clips, however this one is open for discussion again. While he draws nearer to the exit of the passageway between side and main on Braundorf he’s looking in the direction the Axis are bound to be. So far so good I hear you think, so far so good is what I’m thinking myself. But he keeps on moving his crosshair a little bit as if he wants to improve the position it will be on when he comes out, and surprisingly enough it follows the strafing pattern of an axis medic on a parallel level. No need to use the word suspicious again, you should have figured it out by yourself by now.
8. ( [urlnew=http://h-4life.com/lazio/manji.avi]Clip eight[/url] )
This last clip is the longest one. It starts off with an action already discussed earlier in this column so I’ll skip that part. Then he happens to put his crosshair on someone who’s behind a tank and wall but this could be luck since his aim only stays there very briefly. However after this as Jo0f is walking up the stairs under the bridge he puts his aim on someone’s head and lets it rest there for a second. Why someone would put his aim on that position on the wall makes no sense to me at all, I find this very unbelievable to be an unlucky action.
It’s not over yet as the clip continues and our comrade find himself behind the bank trying to preshoot someone camping on the left. That there was player in that vicinity can be explained by ventrilo communications yes but it remains very strange to see that Jo0f happens to pick the exact right spot again.
The shooting at the docrunner is perfectly normal since they probably told Jo0f he was going short.
Now that all the shreds of evidence have been discussed by my more or less objective mind, and on a more or less professional level it’s time to go to the general conclusion.
Sooo in short: anyone who becomes good in this game is a cheater.
LEERT VLAAMS TURK
and I also think (not sure again) that joof and vanquish got to know each other due to me because I brought vanquish to fif, where as joof was already a long time in fif (one year?)
btw: I brought vanquish to fif because mentiz stopped because of cdc4 cheaterrules, and because i knew vanquish wasnt hacking anymore and he was quite skille, i took him to fif (vanquish did really confirm at cdc4 and joof did also imo)
EDIT: oh yes, now i remember that joof played in mentiz. When mentiz needed one last member for cdc4, they tested joof a few times. He played 10 pracs max and then mentiz folded. So lets say he was a trial there, but he wasn't a real player there and right after mentiz foled me vanq and joof went to FiF for playing cdc qualys (which we won both) and went to cdc4
(sorry for not noting the link between mentiz and joof at first, but I rememberd now :p)
& if killerboy tries to bust you, I'll come to your place and record live (!) a game from you :D
And about the Mentiz error, I only checked his clanbase and crossfire profiles and from there I learned he atleast had a connection with them, didn't know he was only a trial.
grtz
well conclusion about joof's 'cheat-links here':
* link joof<=>mentiz: he was trial for one week or someting, but never added to clanbase (if so, give link, I dont think he was added on cb, only on crossfire) he only played some pracs, no offis or something and I dont think joof feels or felt very related to most guys playing there
*link joof<=>vanquish: while joof trialed, I think vanquish played also at that time, not sure though, but they werent really close friends or something. FiF and me are the link between the 2 I think. Jo0f also only knew vanquish after vanq already stopped cheating.
*links joof<=>skeiz/slajdan/Randori/Fanta: none of them ever played one prac/war with joof I think, so no link at all
could be wrong somewhere, but mainly this is true
btw: I want to thank you for trying to be objective (altough this is very difficult) and I appreciate your effort. History wasn't your best page, but yeah, everyone makes mistakes.
he should be monitored? that won't do anything, he will simply stop knowing where opponents are, at least that is not hard
and he won't get a massive skilldrop also since he's not crap, he has a somewhat decent aim
if he doesn't get banned now he won't get banned (i doubt he is so stupid to make the same "mistakes" again)
The only one where the cheat is obvious is the nr. 5 superslow there is no explanation for me on that one.
That is a blatant wh or a fucking biggest lucky tracking i have ever seen and even if it is that he cant know when the allies behind the wall will come inside but he moves his xhair in a perfect timing.
grrr after 5 time watching that there is something at the old cp entrance i dont know if thats a not gibed axis or not but that is the only explanation i could come up with.
He could not know that some1 is coming true the passage if it is not a axis giving him the call.
"It does however indicate that he has no problem playing with busted and very obvious players, his tolerance towards cheaters is very big and it only makes one wonder why."
You're totally wrong there, I never played with known (ex)cheaters accept for vanquish. But he joined FiF in the weeks before cdc and I was convinced he was clean then, which he proofed on lan.
And my history goes way more back then that.. I've been playing since the ET demo came out, played like a year in a funclan then took a break and came back sept 2005 to play actively (even played rtcw before all this). I then joined renegade's (&rayman's) clan #lork.et which evolved into FiF later on. I guess I'm not much of a clanhopper :p... except for some 2 week side-clans.
Only thing I will say about cheats: I never had them (who can say that in this community :D) or will have them on my pc. I hate hackers and It's just sad the ET community got this far with being paranoid about every player that can aim and isn't to known in the skilled et scene.
trying to convince us with some shit arguments
fact is that the avis are suspicious
fact is that u played with cheaters
everything else is bullshit
and btw i played u before cdc4 and i played u like 1 month ago
u come from a lowskiller to a mAus comparable player
SURE THIS IS PURE SKILL
Are you lanproved btw? I made some avi's aswell, I'll post them later today!
i want to laugh
nah I'm just like "sigh" about this whole joof story .. it's a bit overhyped those last days, can't handle that !
just spec him... his nades are terrible, almost always mistimed or thrown incorrectly, his movement is so bad i think i can move better with one hand, and he is constantly bumping into walls which he shouldn't
he is far from an intelligent player, which is what makes him so suspicious :E
well written though, the majority of arguments in the joof case seem to be 'LOL HAHAHA NOOBS' coming from pretty much both sides of the fence, so it's a breath of fresh air
I just got annoyed by everyone joining in with the herd which would have another witch hunt as consequence.
K N1CE WALLHACK MAN, BUSTED
i love it how people can actually remember the month they started playing.
i started playing like june 5th 2006 at approximately 6:45pm ohh yeah i'm da bestest
I don't think any sane person accused mystic of cheating... Maybe replace him with butchji or something, but even those accusations are IMO ridiculous.
Same for overboost, he was accused in the past as well for cheating by some high names in the scene
and he has just to0 much of those actions in one match, you can make 30 joof.avi's from 1 FiF match. Maybe it's just betetr to watch the demo :P
every cheater said that, but they still cheated :D
btw, try playing more clanwars or spec someone at ettv cos your gamesense is a bit low :(
Know him for quite a long time in ET,
the boy has reached his skills at last :)
though there's nothing mAus'like in him imo .
ban him (many coincidences)
never played vs him or watched him though so no real judgement.
There are just too many "coincidences" in those short clips which makes him very very suspicious
And ban Ziff too because he's even more obvious :p
bibuy!
he seems to have pretty decent aim (far from botactions). About wallhack... ppl calling his playing style non-intelligent. well, imo that says enough.. usually ppl gets advantage ingame while using wallhack ( like mize back in the old days ). So kinda weird if he uses wallhack and still out like a snowman? he's clean.
but about these "too many new mAus' born" blaa blaa... players who has played more than 8,5days of ET are cheaters in your eyes...
case closed noobs
nice column btw
The thing that makes him suspicious is because the community thinks his skill came suddenly outta nowhere. He is for 2 years now in fif and improved together with fif.
1 year ago everybody was laughing with the skill from fif although now half of the players are still the same as we have now.
Its just hilarious to see that half of the community is like fanboying inactive highskilled players like mAus and when they shoot hs's its like'WTF HE IS GOOD omg !' And when an active player, who improves in an active team, does the same its ' hi cheater' .
but if I get all your demo's from last half year , I would also be able to find some actions where you have your crosshair on the enemy through the wall with r_shownormals 1
on the other hand, the one overdrive posted in the forum says enough, manji.avi or something. obvious wallhacker atleast.